Post your views and questions about the Akai MPC2500
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By jahrome Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:50 am
There is nothing that the MPC 1000 can do that the MPC 2500 can't. The MPC 1000 is the entry level MPC.

Now, the MPC 2500 is still more a drum/phrase sampler. It doesn't have the full capabilities of the MPC 4000 sampler.
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By Kalei Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:49 am
the 4000 doesnt have chopshop and patchphrase YET(?)..

Kalei
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By jahrome Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:01 pm
The MPC 4000 doesn't have chop shop/phrase patch yet....I doubt that the current model will ever have that feature.
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By Kalei Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:19 pm
call me positive but i think it will :)
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By jahrome Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:25 pm
Originally posted by Kalei
call me positive but i think it will


How much are you willing to wage? Its been over 3 years...seriously doubt they would add that feature. Business-wise, it makes no sense. Now if they create another version of the MPC 4000..I could see that...but not with the current model.
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By Blue Haze Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:25 am
Maybe / Maybe not :wink:
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By Kalei Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:50 am
jahrome wrote:
Originally posted by Kalei
call me positive but i think it will


How much are you willing to wage? Its been over 3 years...seriously doubt they would add that feature. Business-wise, it makes no sense. Now if they create another version of the MPC 4000..I could see that...but not with the current model.


So I have to bet now just cause Im feeling positive on this one? Pfft.
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By jahrome Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:23 pm
Originally posted by Kalei
So I have to bet now just cause Im feeling positive on this one? Pfft.


I apologize before anyone starts to call me names :D

I was just having converstaion and don't mean anything offensive. My comments were based on the history of Akai. It appears that once they get a pretty soild machine, they are not interested in upgrading the operating systems further as far as adding new features. Its been while since any new feature has been added to the MPC 4000/2000XL. Since then, they have given them new paint jobs..added features standard which use to be optional..

Sorry, you do not have to wager because you are feeling positive about your feelings and maybe I should look at the glass as if it was half-full (versus half empty)....but I am a gambling man. If you wanted to wager..than you have a bet :D Just like my Steelers will beat New England in a few hours from now :lol:

Peace
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By Hurricane Producer Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:46 pm
You didn't say anything wrong. It's a fact the MPC4000 has been around a few years. There comes a point when it ain't worth putting more money into trying to refine a piece of gear. The 4000 has been around now what...about 4 years? AKAI can't sink more time and money into this thing forever. There is better hardware now and software is a major competitor to all the hardware. Changing the color of the 4000 again isn't going to matter. It's still the same design it was years ago.

Sn8ke_Eyz you should get the 2500 instead of worrying that everything will be alright with the 4000. Anything it doesn't have won't be worth much.

By elmacaco Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:40 pm
It's obvious to me that the 4000 is an older and different design than the 1000, and the 2500 is based much more on the 1000's design. IMO the 2500 is really a 1500 or a 1000XL since it is basically a fully grown 1000.

I think its a good direction for aki and it will be one of the best mpc's ever, IF the bug situation and QC situation has improved.
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By jahrome Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:40 pm
IMO the 2500 is really a 1500 or a 1000XL since it is basically a fully grown 1000.


A fully grown 1000 over a more mature 2000XL???

C'mon....the MPC 1000 doesn't have all the features of the XL.

With the MPC 2500..it includes everything the MPC 1000 has (which features were taken from the MPC 4000) ...everything the 2000XL has...and Akai added the extra MIDI outs like the 4000/3000/60..and has added features that are firsts in any MPC. If Akai made this unit more robust...it should have been called the MPC 3000XL or 3500.

By elmacaco Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:04 pm
Well from different perspectives we're both right. in the catalog it is meant to overtake the XL's position, but it isn;t based at all on XL technology, it is clearly a 1000 with al the cool stuff everybody wished it could have all at once. the polyphony is the same, the display is the same, the memory is the same, it's just a bionic 1000, it has nothing to do with eithe the 4000 or the 2000XL let alone the 3000/2000/60 hardware wise. the only link I can see with the 4000 is they are both based on Z8 technology but they really pruned it for the 1000 and 2500 has more of it, but it's interesting that the 4000 has 64 poly and both the 1000 and the 2500 have the same, the 2500 should be higher, but no one really cares that much about it to notice.

From a sales perspective you're right tho, that's the line they will push, but the fact is that technologically, it's a 1000 with extras. You can trace the R&D right through, and the memory expantion is the same, hell most of the parts between the 1000 and 2500 will be the same, it's pretty clear. plus the pads for selecting menu items, mode screens. Clearly it has more in common with the 1000 thaan the XL, even with timestretch and all that, it's clearly not based on XL technology.

Hopefully it will be built better and with better parts than the 1000, which i think it is considering it's hefty price, but I would think I'd see more people selling their 1000's to get the 2500 since it has many of the things people griped about (including me) all in one machine, and the OS is basically just like a 1000, but like I said, with extras.

By Roopesh Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:10 pm
The MPC 4000 has 960 PPQN

I bought it just for this one reason...besides it being a neat bit of hardware.
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By jahrome Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:11 pm
So..because it shares the same specs as polyphony, memory, display(which I am not sure is accuarte), and the 'cool stuff' that everybody wished it has..makes it a super 1000??

I guess we have to agree to disagree. Having the same parts is no argument especially since the MPC 1000 is a much newer model. It makes sense that Akai use similar parts..but lets take a closer look...

Originally posted by elmacaco
it's just a bionic 1000, it has nothing to do with eithe the 4000 or the 2000XL let alone the 3000/2000/60 hardware wise.


I will start with its appearance....just looking at the new MPC 2500 you can see that its hardware is very similar almost identical to the 2000Xl..same sliders, buttons, very similar layout. The MPC 1000 looks like a cheap tool (sorry to offend MPC 1000 users because it is still a powerful unit). In fact, the MPC 4000 uses similar/identical buttons as the XL. I can't find whats so similar between the 1000 and 2500. 2500 has more in common physically with the 4000 and the XL. The Q-link sliders/knobs are identical to the 4000 (just fewer), and in the same position.

Turning the MPC 2500 around, you immediately notice that it has standard 10 ouputs like the classic MPC 60/3000 and the much requested 4 MIDI outputs! Akai even through in balanced ouputs! Very MPC 1000 unlike. It does have USB like the MPC 1000 but the same is true for all Akai samplers released in the past 5 years.

As far as polyphony..if I am not mistaken ALL MPCs (with the exception of the 4000) has the same specs in this regard :wink:

Of course the 2500 is not based on the exact technology as the XL which is based on the MPC 2000 released in 1997. But to call it an MPC 1000 with extras instead of a new improved 2000XL with this newer technology???

I am not thinking about naming the MPC 2500 from a marketing stand point. I am thinking about this logically. Calling it a 1000XL will imply that it is inferior to the 2000XL. When it has EVERYTHING that the 1000 and 2000XL has, and throwing in some 4000 features??

One may point out that the 2000XL has features that the 3000 doesn't but this will take us into an entire different direction.


I can't figure why folks gripe about the price when all MPCs cost over $2000 when initially released with the exception of the 1000. Yes..it costs 2X as much as is worth that and more when compaired to the 1000 and 2000XL.

As I keep re-reading your post I can't really see your point. You are are talking about Research and Development and Quality Control and all....and shared internal parts.. You are also talking about the operating system as if you looked at the code.

The 2500 has way...way more features than an MPC 1000. I will put myself out there and say that they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence :lol: Especially since many of you are still waiting on 2000Xl features to find its way into the 1000.


As I re-read your post...you state that this unit will be suited for MPC 1000 users looking to upgrade instead on XL users. I am starting to think you use/used neither machine. The MPC 1000 is an entry level MPC and nothing more. As a long time MPC user..I can't think of 1 feature that it has that would even make me consider buying one. Catz are buying used MPC 2000s for the price of new MPC 1000s :lol: