You know the new MPCS are a failure when...

CharlesRandolph wrote:Please clarify this because this is what you said I wrote.Charles says: The DAWless will soon learn (talking about a mixer for all the outs........not pianos, flutes & acoustic guitars). Then proceeds to call an MPC a DAW & argues that it isn't DAWless to use hardware. You're the one that called it DAWless in the first place! What's great is Lampdog checkmated Charles arguing with himself
If you are going to quote me. Then quote me, don't fake news me BRO.
This is what I wrote.
The ironic thing is most DAWless setups are not actually DAWless considering it stands for DIGITAL AUDIO WORK STATION. Therefore they would have to stay 100% analog to be DAWless. No D/A conversion, No samples, No drum machines, pretty much that means anything with digital technology.

I also wrote this.

The DAW less movement will soon learn once they want, separate tracks of each module. Then realize they need a MIXER with 24 inputs to track those 12 desktop modules at one time. (This is talking about creating stems.)
EDIT: You are correct with the 8000 to 10000...Also the ILL GREEN comment was meant as fun/banter. Nevertheless, I get it. You would not buy the machine at that price point. Not everything is made for everyone.

Sharris wrote:

CharlesRandolph wrote:Please clarify this because this is what you said I wrote.Charles says: The DAWless will soon learn (talking about a mixer for all the outs........not pianos, flutes & acoustic guitars). Then proceeds to call an MPC a DAW & argues that it isn't DAWless to use hardware. You're the one that called it DAWless in the first place! What's great is Lampdog checkmated Charles arguing with himself
If you are going to quote me. Then quote me, don't fake news me BRO.
This is what I wrote.
The ironic thing is most DAWless setups are not actually DAWless considering it stands for DIGITAL AUDIO WORK STATION. Therefore they would have to stay 100% analog to be DAWless. No D/A conversion, No samples, No drum machines, pretty much that means anything with digital technology.

I also wrote this.

The DAW less movement will soon learn once they want, separate tracks of each module. Then realize they need a MIXER with 24 inputs to track those 12 desktop modules at one time. (This is talking about creating stems.)
EDIT: You are correct with the 8000 to 10000...Also the ILL GREEN comment was meant as fun/banter. Nevertheless, I get it. You would not buy the machine at that price point. Not everything is made for everyone.

I'm not making fake news (by the way I'm not a bro). I'm sorry, maybe I should have used bullet points, I didn't mean to be confusing. My point was simple.
1) You called using hardware DAWless. Then later stated using hardware isn't DAWless (you listed your comments backwards above).
2) I don’t care if you said $7,500, $8,000 or $1,000,000. My point was, you were picking apart words others were saying. Correcting people, yet you were not always correct yourself. That's it.
3) I know it was fun/banter with the desk comment.........I was just curious as to what you meant. But you explained.
4) Of course not everything is made for everyone. That has nothing to do with what I was saying, but whatever. It's cool.
5) I shouldn't have even said anything, but sometimes I can’t help myself.

CharlesRandolph wrote:Wormhelmet: So, Thurston, by your logic, the MPC Live is a DAW then.

Charles Randolph: Yes the MPC LIVE and X would be considered a DAW.

Is it Digital? Check
Does it work with Audio? Check
Is it a Desktop Work Station? Check
Can it record Audio? Check
Can it edit Audio? Check
Can it Copy and Paste Audio? Check
Can it import Audio? Check
Can it export Audio? Check
Can it arrange Audio? Check
Does it have effects? Check
Can you arrange the audio in a song? Check

Do I really have to go on. YES! Because if SKIPPER (Wormhelmet) didn't crash the boat. I would be in the studio, sleeping on my Rupert Neve Designs 5088 Shelford Console. Let's continue.

From Wikipedia:

A digital audio workstation (DAW) is an electronic device or application software used for recording, editing and producing audio files. DAWs come in a wide variety of configurations from a single software program on a laptop, to an integrated stand-alone unit, all the way to a highly complex configuration of numerous components controlled by a central computer. Regardless of configuration, modern DAWs have a central interface that allows the user to alter and mix multiple recordings and tracks into a final produced piece.[]

If that does not describe a MPC Live and MPC X, I don't know what does.

Go 4:41 in the video below.

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Wormhelmet: Getting a little convoluted as the MPC software on PC will run in a DAW I believe, so you are connecting a DAW to a DAW to run in your DAW?

Charles Randolph: I guess you never heard of REWIRE, been doing that since 98.



Wormhelmet: I believe professionals (as you are always saying you are) refer to a DAW as multitracking software that runs on a pc or Mac.

Charles Randolph: A Mac is a PC aka Personal Computer. (Stop regurgitating marketing. ) I think you mean runs on a DELL, ASUS, LENOVO, or MAC. Etc Etc. Nevertheless read the Wikipedia excerpt that I posted above.

I consulted with Lovey and she said, "Put away your MV8000 because you're DAWless. I guess you better learn how to mic pianos, horns, drum-sets, patch outboard gear into an analogue board, compose the music and hire a string section and horn sections and record to 2 inch 24 track Otari MTR90 Mk III."

Danoc wrote:I wasn't buying into the Ren when I got rid of the 2000xl. My homie, got the Ren and he had glitches galore. And I wasn't going that route with a complete controller to the computer like that, I wanted a standalone and I waited until last year. From 2012 I had to wait. So now I am all good.

Akai so far has been giving updates on the reg and at 2.2.1 it seems very good. I have no complaints. It handles and does the things I wanted in a future machine.

mr_debauch wrote:I am just glad they took a step back away from the M.usic P.roduction C.ontroller route they were taking... the ren was not my thing at all (especially when they tried to tell us vintage mode was getting it's sound because the ren had the same circuitry of the 3000 ... )

SHARRIS: I'll start by saying I do not have a suggestion. As far as I know you will need more than 1 machine to do what you need.

Since you do not feel the need to be right (apparently that is me not you), what was your point below if it has nothing to do with the need to be right? I’m genuinely asking. Now the below is over SIMPLY using the word DAWless.

Danoc wrote:I wasn't buying into the Ren when I got rid of the 2000xl. My homie, got the Ren and he had glitches galore. And I wasn't going that route with a complete controller to the computer like that, I wanted a standalone and I waited until last year. From 2012 I had to wait. So now I am all good.

Akai so far has been giving updates on the reg and at 2.2.1 it seems very good. I have no complaints. It handles and does the things I wanted in a future machine.

yeah I like the live. I think it is pretty good.... but for "live" use I think it should have had way more ram so we could install huge sets on the thing. it would have been great. I think that board platform came with a 4gb version for 18 dollars extra (or something negligible like that)

mr_debauch wrote:I am just glad they took a step back away from the M.usic P.roduction C.ontroller route they were taking... the ren was not my thing at all (especially when they tried to tell us vintage mode was getting it's sound because the ren had the same circuitry of the 3000 ... )

mr_debauch wrote:
yeah I like the live. I think it is pretty good.... but for "live" use I think it should have had way more ram so we could install huge sets on the thing. it would have been great. I think that board platform came with a 4gb version for 18 dollars extra (or something negligible like that)

CharlesRandolph wrote:

Statement:

Is this all you've taken from what I posted. It seems you're so hell bent on being right and find flaw that you're missing my entire point. So, I await to read your opinion on gear and how it can improve my workflow.

So here is my issue.

I'm looking for sequencer, drum machine, that will allow for me to have 8 mono inputs and 16 mono analog out, 16 channels of ADAT, supports Cobra or Dante, 4 MIDI in and 8 MIDI outs, this way I can push more external gear without daisy chaining. I would like for it to have wordclock as well, so that it locks to my studios master clock. It's important that it has very low jitter, because this will be the center piece of the production studio.

Do you have any suggestion? Thanks in advance.

Wormhelmet wrote:I have a suggestion. You should form your right hand into the shape of a hand puppet. Now put the hand puppet up to your neck slightly to the left of center so the “mouth” faces outward. Now run to a mirror and open and close the “mouth” part of your shaped hand puppet up against your neck. Now you will see yourself as I do - talking out the side of your neck.

The DAWless have nothing to learn from your neck gums flappin Thurston.

Your definition is still ludicrous chief

Frisbi wrote:Hey guys, what's up?
You are fighting for what?
Anything better to do?
Come on.
Who gives a **** about daws or dawless or whatever?
It's the music that counts!
Start making good music, with pc, without pc, with mpc, without mpc.
Better to focus on pushing Akai to make our Live better and better.
Isn't it?

Wormhelmet wrote:...

I’m saying do it whatever way gets it done