richie wrote:martel80 wrote:I'm not into mpc60 grith nor the s900. I never tried a sp-1200 but i believe I would get maybe even worst bit definition or grit and I'm not running after bad bit sound.
When I listen to Mobb deep The infamous or wu tang 36 chamber, I dont hear the bad bit sound I hear on early premier and pete rock tracks. I hear warmth and hollowness which seems to fit my needs but i'm not sure if theres any other samplers that can do that. So thats why I asked.
To me the MPC 60's strength is in the sequencer and midi timing. The accuracy of of it is what I believe gave it that feeling. To the SP12/SP1200's credit what I think is dope about it is that you still keep the bottom end of whatever you sample in, even when transposing significantly lower from the original sample (maybe it's just me but on the Akai gear, it's as if everything pre 50hz is totally lost). The drums knock on it in a way that I prefer over what Akai has to offer and based on my mixing skillset, which I find a lot of people don't want to take into consideration online -- They figure, they'll buy the same gear as those they look up to and expect to have that same creative output quality. Yes this is partially achievable if your goal is to trace what others made but it isn't as if the bedroom producer will have access to the same analog consoles and engineers the pioneers did.
From what I recall in several instances, the early Mobb Deep stuff was on the EPS 16+ and the MPC 3000. When RZA was doing 36 Chambers, the studio footage online shows that he was on the ASR-10, which lends credence to your preferences over the punchy and ring modulated sound that Premier and Pete Rock often had.
You,re right, I just checked the article again and they said it was the EPS 16+ for mobb deep.
But it seems that the 36th chamber was done on EPS classic:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=S0bOmxF-r08C&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15&dq=rza+36+chamber+ensoniq+EPS&source=bl&ots=AOvTTMexDs&sig=FgKLKVl7ZOjw_KH7DD4T0v-AcuI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtt9jk7-nZAhUr4YMKHdouDk0Q6AEITTAD#v=onepage&q=rza%2036%20chamber%20ensoniq%20EPS&f=falseAnyways, the point is not to recreate their sound as I'm really not into those kind of agressive beats but to get the color they had.
To me, 36 chamber is a type of sound ( and im not saying music ) I'm after. I took this as example as I believe everyone can understand the difference between a destroyed sample pushed in the red of a mpc60 / sp-1200 and the warmth of the ensoniq in those examples.
( and no, I'm not speaking about the distortion of 7th chamber haha )
I think that if you want to understand you will have enough information to understand what I mean now.