sonik synth, Motif rack, Fantom xr

duh... silly me... god idea man... i have been lazy to run anything into my omega's filters... thanks for the reminder... lol... now im gonna run some outs of mpc into omega... very cool... good luck with your setup man!

this is gonna sound stupid...
so the omegas n all that is for your synth right? or wrong.

so are the motif racks, fantom xrs etc for your mixers?

na man^^^^ they are all sound sources. I.e. synths.

THe motif es is a keyboard, same with the fantom. You can also buy a keyless version of the keyboard called a rack.........you do this to save space, and sometimes you dont need all the features that come with a the keyboard.

You can plug racks into your mpc via midi then plug in a midi controller (keyboard with no sounds) into the mpc, then play the rack as if it was a regular keyboard. That way you can have one controller and many racks. You do this to sequence the sounds on the keyboard/rack just like you sequence the internal sounds of the mpc.

The moog, virus, omega, those are all synths too. However they differ from the motif and fantom in that they are not "romplers" the motif and fantom have loads of samples loaded into thier memory and use a differant form of synthesis to create thier sounds......they are called romplers because essentially the sounds are derived from the samples on the "rom". whereas the others use analog synthesis/virtual analog synthesis(moog, virus, omega)-using traditional oscillators and raw wave forms as the basis for thier sound.

Generally speaking, most producers have at least one rompler for alot of thier bread and butter sounds; that is because it comes with loads of sounds that cover all areas. i.e. they have acoustic sounds, guitars, pianos, basses, the whole nine.....where VA or analog synths have more synthy, ep, bass type sounds, not really "acoustic/realistic" sounds. ALot of the synthy sounds on the romplers originate from those analog and va synths.

Generally speaking about VA or Anolog synths, they have less preset sounds on them and they are meant to be tweaked alot. THey are set up so you can create sounds from scratch. Lots of producers like them because you can create some phat sounds with them, plus the older analogs where used in the 70s so you can get some of those sounds.

Some people would say nothin beats analog or VA synths, where others would rather have a rompler like the motif, triton, fantom. Both types have thier pros and cons.

Alot of the west coast hiphop is made with a combination of both types of synths. Dr.dre uses the mpc along with moog sounds, triton sounds, motif, ms2000, nord lead.

The triton is probably one of the most famous romplers. Alot of hiphop track use it and some say its been played out. all the mentioned romplers have other features on them too, they also have a sampler and sequencer just like the mpc. A great combo is the mpc and triton,motif, or fantom. You get the sequencing and sampling power of the mpc, and the synth engine of the rompler.

I hope that explains it well, please someone take over where I left off.

Check out www.studio-central.com The guy on there has a section about racks and purchasing keyboards. Definately read that so you know whats up.

Peace

another thing to add. I recomend eventually you should get a synth or keyboard. you expand your sounds and production skills.


If you are mainly a sample based producer, you get your sounds from vinyl. But alot of producers are also keyboard producers where they compose and get sounds from the keyboards and synths.

Some sample producers use synths for thier bass sounds to play under the samples..........or to chop us samples and spread them accross the keys. So if you are doing that you might be happy with a moog, or micro korg, or ms2000 because they make some phat bass.

Depending on the style of music you want to create, will help you decide what type of keyboard to get. Generally, you cant go wrong with a newer rompler like the motif es, fantom x, or triton extreme. BUt for hiphop I probably would go with a rompler at first.......



Im not sure how much you know about keyboards and ****, adn what type of music you are into..........but listen to any new music on the radio and most of it is made using a rompler. Even if it sounds like a band is playing it. Most producers use the mpc for drums and samples and keyboards for synth sounds. Here is a list of well known producer that doe that: (all use mpcs) Lil jon, heavy synths no samples .........dr.dre, scott storch, all keyboards, replayed samples. Alchemist, J dilla.....samples with keyboards for bass. Rick Rock, keyboards for everything. Kanye west, mainly samples, but keyboards to fill in extra sounds and bass.

anyways I hoped I helped you. If you knew some of this **** I apologize for being long winded........But hopefully someone will learn from this ****.

good lookin cyrus, shiet is helpful! gracias

shiet, i wouldnt mind having say a triton, fantom, motif, and even a moog . i figure, the bigger the sound library, the better...no?

I got my set up as follow:

MPC2500, 2 x MPC2000xl's, Novation K Station, Novation K-Rack, oberheim OB-12, Roland JV2080, Fatar SL880 controller, Korg ea1, Roland s50, & a 303 all goin through an 01V. Did have it all sync'd up to Cubase SX3 via clock, but now ive switched it so 2500 is syncin Cubase by MTC - seems to work better.

On the romplers vs Pure synthesis - I personally find Romplers a bit too limited & hard to really get into and tweak.. so im all for v.a synths at the moment.... but then again thats probably to do with the kind of music i produce (breakbeat & electro-house).

I really need to hook myself up with a motif at the moment im using the sounds on my novation xstation which have some real nice bass souds on it and im using reason and plugging sound card output into mpc and using the sounds from there

is a moog for example limited in soundz compared to a triton/fantom/motif? also, is the sound of the moog a more clear "real" sounding sound?

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if you're writing hip hop, it is usually a good idea to have a rompler and an alaog synth... the synth will cover ungodly leads and the phattest bass ever... the rompler will become the animal that pumps out all other random sounds inbetween that cannot be produced by the synths...

i would say if i was hip-hop all the way...
mpc, se1x, trition rack, any controller keyboard - simple but DEADLY

as for played out sounds... well, all presets are played out from the moment you open the box, you really need to get in there and adjust patches to your taste and specifically to the song you would like to use them in...

Well, first, The moog synth is one of the first analog synths ever. There are more than one model since 1970s.

Check out www.vintagesynth.com to learn about these things.

Also I wouldnt say "limited in sounds" with any synth. A synth might have less preset sounds, so technically you get less sounds out of the box, but that doesnt mean its limited. In fact, some people would say a triton or motif is limited in comparason to a moog because it doesnt recreate that phat moog sound well.

Keep in mind that the Amount of Preset sounds dont mean ****. Because you can have a thousand preset sounds on a synth, and they still wont compare to one phat sound on a moog. The idea is that you need to tweak your sounds. if you have 1 or 1000 presets, if you use your synth, you can have as many sounds as you want to make!

To answer your second question: Analog synths are generally warmer, not acoustic not realistic sounding. When I say acoustic and realistic I am refering to grand pianos, guitars, horns, cellos, violins, bass guitar, stand up bass, flutes, traditional instruments you can play. Synths, dont count as acoustic or real. The moog is an analog synth.

You might understand this if you understand how each one works:

Romplers are digital, their synth engine is somewhat similar to a sampler, but instead of the user adding samples, the rom already has special samples loaded on it. it takes those samples and you can use its synth enginee to use those sample to create your sounds. The presets on the rompler are built from those samples. So if you play a triton and hear a "piano" sound, its made up of several rom samples, added effects, tweaked envelop, maybe a filter, lfo, etc. ITs the same thing if you hear a moog sound on a triton, but instead of a piano sample its a moog sample............ Basically they use small recorded snippets of sound to create other sounds. The snippets are specially recorded in attempt to recreate the sampled sound perfectly.

Analog synths use oscillators and raw wave forms combined with filter, envelops, mod, lfo and analog circitry to create thier sounds. Non computery. No OS, no program or processors.

VAs are "Virtual analog" wich means it uses digital technology to emulate the old analogs. They are usually thrown in the same category as Analog synths but they are not the same. VAs are newer, and share some of the features of a digital synth. They incorporate midi, preset memory, digital processing....but they are the same idea as a analog synth, they dont really recreate acoustic sounds like a rompler.

With any synth, really non of them are limited if you edit them. They might be limited in comparison to each other depending on the features each synth has, but that doesnt mean one is better than the other. Some of the limitations make the synth what it is and why people like it.

damn, yall mofoz know ur shiet! good lookin out! the woman was gonna get me an xbox for christmas, but now i told her not to get it, id rather get some equiptment. might start with a mac monitor. maybe a mixer, or amp

xmas kicks ass