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sup y'all, im having trouble-actually this is the only thing holdin me up( aside from havin problems lookin for samples) I cant seem to get my filtered basslines to sound right...I want that PR/Preem sound-I hate synthy beats, so i really dont want some dope samples with some overly digital sounding synthy basslines(only time i use synth basslines is when the samle im bout to flip is flat and really has no true bass tones) anyway.....If anyone can give me some tips.......I've tried it different ways- 1st i put the high pass filter on it Freq-10 res-5 then resample, then put the LP filt on it and start at60 and work my way down...but i dont get the desired sound---I've tried resampling, with other filters, etc...I just cant get it right............. I'm usin the MPC1000-I dont have any other filters, except for the filters in my Alesis Micron-(Its got audio inputs for Processing) but I figured on the Early PR joints all he had was the SP-12/1200 and Preem the MPC-60II&akai s-950, so i dont want to he4ra that it cant be done with the 1k's built in filters...any1 got some knowledge? Drolp a jewel on me please! REspect!


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Sometimes, it starts with choosing the right sample.
Get a good clean section for the song.
Also, if you don't get it perfect, that's where those isolated bass notes in the song can come in handy. Play those notes right on top.

Finally, try to use a software eq or filter in tandem with the MPC.

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the MPC 1000 filters are not that bad, so I think your problem may be coming from the samples that you choose. Also when you are running your sample do you use any sort of external effect, like a guitar amp or something. Try the bit grunger effect. Not to much turn it down and see what you get. If you have any sort of external distorion or amp simulatr run it though there. That is a big thing with warming up the sound.

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yeah, i've had that problem before. especially with one particuliar sample where there's alot going on in the mix. i've tried re-creating it but the bassline is too complex for me to play. i often wish i had a bass player or some other stuff to get rid of the highs. :cry:


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maybe an electrix isolator? or a good EQ


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1st i put the high pass filter on it Freq-10 res-5 then resample


I hope you really meant low pass filter. Cuz if not that's your problem.

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spectre wrote:
CrateBandits1 wrote:
1st i put the high pass filter on it Freq-10 res-5 then resample


I hope you really meant low pass filter. Cuz if not that's your problem.


:D Crate is right ..highpass set low with high resonance..good to boost low freqs

Good lowpass filtered basslines are hard to get since it's the high frequency transcients contained in the bass sounds that make them sound good and cut through the mix..you got to bring back those high frequencies after you filtered your sample and some expensive outboard gear really helps then. Pete Rock and Premo have had access to the most expensive I'm sure. :wink:

Some good ways to bring back some high frequencies is to run the filtered bass through a distortion, a enhancer or re-mike from a combo..then eq , refilter,compress..it's like some sound design at this point but it's the way to go.

One more thing..the filters on the mpc1000 are the worst I know..I never use them..they sure can't compare with the SP1200's..just do the filtering job with some plugin

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loozman wrote:
spectre wrote:
CrateBandits1 wrote:
1st i put the high pass filter on it Freq-10 res-5 then resample


I hope you really meant low pass filter. Cuz if not that's your problem.


:D Crate is right ..highpass set low with high resonance..good to boost low freqs

Good lowpass filtered basslines are hard to get since it's the high frequency transcients contained in the bass sounds that make them sound good and cut through the mix..you got to bring back those high frequencies after you filtered your sample and some expensive outboard gear really helps then. Pete Rock and Premo have had access to the most expensive I'm sure. :wink:

Some good ways to bring back some high frequencies is to run the filtered bass through a distortion, a enhancer or re-mike from a combo..then eq , refilter,compress..it's like some sound design at this point but it's the way to go.

One more thing..the filters on the mpc1000 are the worst I know..I never use them..they sure can't compare with the SP1200's..just do the filtering job with some plugin


can you break this down in terms of good plugins (examples) ?


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Them dudes never used any of that. Just filter a sample that has a nice baseline in the s950, sp1200, or any MPC. That's what theve been doing with any of those machines. Different resonance and filter amount combos will give you different results. Eq all the highs out on the board or once it's recorded to DAW, especially with MPC, to get the useless stuff out of the very top end. If you have an SP1200, you can only use the first couple outputs for filters, and you do it manually by pulling the 1/4 inch jack halfway out. There is no filter screen within the OS itself.

If you only have software, then just open an eq on a sample/audio track with a nice bassline, shelf or roll off everything above 250, and boost around 150 with a medium q. Then sweep around and see what you like. Maybe make your boosts and cuts real drastic, and then compress a bit. If you want real thump with less airy peterockness, then roll off everything above 100, and boost 64hz with a tight q.


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find your sample, filter it out, f*ck with the EQ...kill the highs and mids bring out the lows, add resonance, normalize your sample, and COMPRESS the s*t out of it.

If that doesnt make it stand out more, i dont know what will


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find your sample, filter it out, f*ck with the EQ...kill the highs and mids bring out the lows, add resonance, normalize your sample, and COMPRESS the s*t out of it.

If that doesnt make it stand out more, i dont know what will


any general compressor setting/guidelines/ numerical ranges u reccomend?

U just gave me an idea - i will filter and res edit the bassline in my mpc, then use the compressor in sonar 3 just not sure wat settings to put (i only have compressor knowledge regarding recording vocals)

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I have never needed anything but the MPC's lowpass filter to get that kind of subbed basslines. On the 2000XL or the 3000 I set the filter on 0-20 and the resonance to as much as possible without distortion. To find the sweet spot of the bassline I set the resonance to max and find out where the bassnotes distort and scream, then I just turn down the resonance again, and then I usually end up with a clean deep and fresh subbed bass.

But you may not be able to get good results if the sample you are using are full of turntable rumble and a lot of other sounds on top of it.


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you've got a micron - i imagine you could make the bass tone that you're after on that, or something close to it, then sample it into then mpc and filter it.


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