layering drums

Tha_Skywalker wrote:

jibber wrote:Another reason why you rarely pan a kick...

Would be

Cus its kinda pointless, Low frequency's are very wide.
The lower the frequency the more area it covers. Thats why panning things like bass and very bassy like kick drums would leave you with the same outcome.

but of course you gottah know the rules before you can break them!

That depends a lot on the sounds used. Try it... if you pan certain kicks hard (left or right), the outcome is not the same at all, there's a clear difference to no panning.

jrbeats555 wrote:That depends a lot on the sounds used.

Yeah , your right!
Thats why I said it has to be a very bassy kick.
Obviously some kicks dont have that much low end so you can tell between those.
And the average kick is noticeable if panned but those heavy kick drums w/
a whole lot of low end. You can only really tell at low volumes but if you turn that sh!t up it will become pretty unnoticeable.

I use logic to find a few kicks i think would work together, eg one for bass ends one for the initial pop of the kick and one for weird after sound which usually end up being something ive sampled from vinyl, then just EQ/heavy compress (lol) it all together until it fits the way I know it should... same with snares but i tend to only layer maybe once sometimes never if i can eq/compress it to what i need. Layering is what makes good beat makers better.

an other thing you can do is have the same kick sample pitched different L and R (octaves, fifths, unless you want something really weird)

this needs some time to get it right (eq, perhaps adding an octaved duplicate of one of the kicks to achieve a more balanced spectrum), but it can sound spectacular

If you pick the right samples, layer them and use just the MPC filter you can get it sounding dope without any EQ or compression. Picking good samples is everything.

The way I do it is I'll layer it all up in cubase and eq it through there and just use my ears really, if it sounds like its knocking and giving the sound you want then 9 times out of 10 it's gonna be right.

My method of layering is sorta the same everytime, I get 3-4 kicks, one would be the sub/bottom area to give it the phatness i want, then one for the mids to give it more of a distinctive sound, I'd usually use something from a break here, then something for the highs for that extra pop to the kick. Then I might compress them together if I think it'll sound better (plus a little bit of a lazier way) then run them into the 2000xl and completely **** them up cause it sounds totally different to cubase lmfao.

nah for real tho that's my way so take from that whatever you want.