Technical questions for the MPC2000xl and the MPC2000
By 1thought1 Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:08 am
Over the last past year ive been working my butt off to get enough money for all the studio equipment i needed so i could begin making Music (speakers, macbook pro, midi keyboard, headphones, microphone, studio foam, midi interface, record player, vinyls, Mpc2000xl, and a bunch of other little stuff). Im 18 years old and at my age it wasnt very easy getting all the money plus, since im young i haven't really had enough experience with all this producing stuff, up until 2 years ago i didnt even know what a Mpc was. Anyway Now that i finally got all the equipment i needed (which was a pain in the ass looking for everything) and doing All my Research I started to begin working. I had a ton of problems before and they still seem to never end. :| At the moment my problem is that My MPC2kXL has been freezing frequently and im just sick and tired of it ALL. I almost feel as if God is doing all of this to me on purpose.. im getting really stressed out cause all i wanna do is make Music for the World, and its just problem after problem, So Im thinking of either buying a new MPC2000xl or just upgrade and start using maybe a Maschine? Im not sure yet but maybe yall can help me out. I just wanna start making music already before its too late cause i feel like im wasting a lot of time.....and at this point im just asking myself ''Is it worth it?'' I would appreciate if anyone out there (whoever actually took their time to read all of this) could help me and maybe tell me if theyve gone thru the same thing or can help me out with my problem or even just talk to me... Just tell me what i should do, Should i get a Maschine or maybe a ASR 10 or what?! (Siiiigh) Idk man :( ... but Thanks in advance and sorry for typing so much.
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By sirparksalot Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:39 am
dawg....I'm gonna be nice since you said you been bustin ass to buy your own gear. At 18 these days, that's admirable. Now....you are freaking out. Think about your options. An ASR-10 and Maschine are completely opposites in terms of work flow and technology. I could understand a ren vs maschine....but an asr-10?

Have you had a chance to actually work with the 2000xl? If so, did you like it? If you did, then **** it, send it to a real repair shop if you can't figure it out. A lot of us like to fix and service our own gear, but there have been times when I couldn't find a part or a problem and have had to send my shit in to vst services out in cali for repair. It may be more expensive, but you wouldn't trash a guitar that you like to play just because the frets are worn down. You send that **** in to get re-fretted or something. It's part of the game.

NOW, with that said, the 2000xl isn't an expensive MPC comparatively. You could always sell for parts and purchase one from a reputable dealer. You could do a lot of things. We shouldn't have to tell you what to do, you know what pieces of the puzzle aren't working, either have them fixed or replaced.
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By Lampdog Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:02 am
sirparksalot wrote:At 18 these days, that's admirable.

Extremely admirable.

Did you try the ram thing like I suggested in your other thread?

asr10 is older than you lol. You may wanna go with something less frustrating.
2kxl is a good starting point, not the latest technology but it can be a serious partner in crime once you understand it's shortcomings, it strengths are magnified when those limitations are finally and completely understood.

Patience, is an ongoing thing as well. Old gear, WILL, act up. New gear will too but repair support is more available.
By dr4track Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:03 am
You seem like a good kid so i ll share a few opinions with ya. Relax man, you r 18, in the prime of your youth, slow and steady while not exactly appealing is often the route when it comes to making music. You have plenty of time ahead of you. Dont fall into the trap of "well I have to have x,y,z in order to make music." There are dudes out there that are making killer stuff with like audacity a set of headphones and a couple other programs, i m not saying b like them im just saying. You have already displayed formidable work ethic which is one of the most important things. Making, learning music is never a waste of time even if you dont make a living off it.

On the subject of your gear, to me if you r asking the question rather, if you dont KNOW why you want to change gear you probably shouldn t. You ve already dumped money into it why not c what can b done. Someone suggested a repair shop, that s a good starting point. Is the XL "worth it" well that kinda depends, do you like it? Its a good piece of gear, has it s limits but good nonetheless. Without knowing your precise needs and what exactly u r trying to do tough to suggest "should it stay or should it go." The ASR while being a formidable tool, is a headache machine if you know nothing about those types of samplers, learning curve can b long, sequencer can b limiting, data storage can b an issue.

I hope this helps you at least a little.
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By hok-2 Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:03 am
To a dude like me who was born in 1975 yeah definitely
They are studio quality.
And I'v wanted one for ten years.

But mate your 18, you sure you want to mess with floppy drives and old school biz?
It's not quick, a mpc 2000 will take you years to figure out a fraction of it's capability's.

Let alone a Sr10
That shits stone age.

If your looking to make a career in the music industry, learn them both, software and hardware.

Yo mpc's are dope, if you car'nt fix it yourself, which in all truth you should learn to, ask some one get a quote, wieagh it up.


Good lood brother
Maximum Peace.
By Clint Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:17 pm
As others have alluded to, it takes time to even get to a level where your beats are any good, and of course, a genuine love of music. When I say time, I'm talking years. Not only must you learn how to sample, sequence, arrange, mix and record (the basic elements of making a beat), you also have to get to a productive level with the gear. That is, the production gear and the recording gear, whether that is hardware or software based. This takes time, dedication and commitment along with many other sacrifices that will have an impact on your social life.

Having a genuine love of music does not mean you like millions of songs or love clubbing it with your mates. In this context it means you have a genuine interest in sound design, production/recording techniques, playing instruments, engineering/tinkering with gear, or making other people dance. Like few people, you may even possess natural musical talent or be classically trained. So essentially, if you do have a genuine love or passion for music, nothing is going to stop you from doing what you want to do. There should be no pressure to do it, you do it because you want to. You will find the time and the money one way or another.

These days the youth 'trends' are a lot different than they were when I was 18. The desire to make beats, be 'cool' and maybe even become a 'celebrity' is something a lot of young guys want to do these days. I mean, who wants to work a 9-5 right? Be brutally honest with yourself, are you one of those guys? If the answer is "Yes", then you don't need to waste anymore time or money. Cut your losses, and try to get as much money back as possible. Get a job. If the answer is "No", here is my advice to you.

0.5. Get a job. It is important to retain a sense of reality. Twitter, Facebook and Instagram won't pay your rent, raise your kids, or help your parents in any way. And they certainly won't fund your adventure into music production, under normal circumstances. And don't expect to be selling beats any time soon. If you happen to be actively looking for work or studying, then you will have time to commit to this, but get your priorities right, right?

1. The starting point, should be tools that actually work as they should. Whether that is hardware or software. That is enough to keep you busy without having to deal with maintenance issues off the bat. Don't buy any more gear. When you are learning to make beats, less is definitely more. Trying to learn how to use 4 or 5 different pieces all at the same time is distracting, so try to become productive with one piece of gear at a time, focus.

2. In your case, start with an MPC2000XL that works. Learn how to use it until you reach the point when you are forced to introduce other gear, and then focus on how to incorporate this gear into your workflow effectively. Other gear could be a DAW like Logic Studio or Reaper (for recording, MIDI instruments/VSTi's, FX, post-production) or some hardware.

3. You want to learn how to make beats? Great! Are you a good learner? Were you a good learner at school/college? So you know how to learn successfully, right? What if you don't, and you were the class clown? Well, in that case you'd need a plan. You need to start somewhere and follow a path towards success. So break out the manual (RTFM!!) and then break down the basic production process into logical stages and tackle one stage at a time.

4. Before moving onto the next stage be sure that you know what you are doing and are ready to move on. For example, sampling and chopping, sequencing and arranging, adding instruments/using MIDI, recording and mixing. You don't need to master each stage at this point, as you are learning, but develop a basic understanding of what works, and more importantly, why it works. Don't be afraid to ask here if the manual doesn't explain things in a way that you understand, just make sure you know what the manual has to say and you've tried it many times first!

5. Once you have the basics locked down, then you can (you will) return to various stages and spend years honing your skills to perfection and learning new tricks from here and elsewhere. During this time you will probably buy more gear or upgrade to a more 'pro' level. Just remember that the skill in music production is innate, it is fundamentally inherent to you. The gear only provides the bells and whistles which can improve or simplify your workflow (the way you complete a task or process).

6. What I've described may sound quite structured, and it is. Those who are naturally quick learners will undoubtedly do it their own way, going back and forth between stages instinctively to get a track working as soon as possible. Everybody learns differently. Some people prefer to work with hardware because it is more tactile and rewarding, others prefer software for speed and convenience. Ultimately, the combination of both is great as it provides all the benefits of hardware and software. After a while, you will develop preferences in many areas of the production process and maybe begin to appreciate the finer qualities of older gear as many MPC60/3000/SP1200ASR10 owners do.

7. You will come across many beatmakers and 'celebrity' producers who use vintage samplers like the MPC60/3000, SP1200/Emax or ASR10. For some its the workflow, the converters and sound quality, the filters or FX, the sequencing; for others there is an attraction to the aesthetics, the nostalgia and history (or the investment value). Whatever it is, entering the world of vintage samplers is fraught with potential pitfalls, headaches and financial costs. But you also have to deal with the limitations of old technology, maintenance/upgrades, and convoluted processes in many cases. You mentioned the ASR10? Well in comparison the MPC2000XL is much easier to learn and far more user-friendly. The MPC2000XL is easier to upgrade and find replacement parts for, and of course has the best forum support in the world, right here. I would suggest the samplers I've mentioned would make great additions to your studio, once you're competent at producing tracks with what you've already got, and feel they will bring something to the table. But if one comes along at a price you simply can't refuse, snag it, make sure it works, and put it to one side until you can give the new piece the attention it deserves. Paying your rent, bills and child support etc is far more important than acquiring excess gear, so keep things in perspective, get your priorities right!

Creating music is supposed to be interesting, creative and rewarding; but at the same time challenging. So if you really don't have the commitment or dedication to overcome the hurdles that will inevitably crop up and keep going, now is the time to ask yourself "is it worth it?".





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Good luck.
By groovemonger Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:21 am
Would you start learning a language and expect to be fluent in 5 minutes? No.

Would you pick up a guitar for the first time and expect to have written a killer piece of music 5 minutes later? No. If you swapped, say, a $300 guitar for a $3000 one, would that help it happen any faster? No.

You can do beatmaking on an MPD18 and any DAW on any halfway recent computer.

But let's assume you want a hardware MPC (not a bad choice - learn a hardware MPC and anything you use in the future will make sense - Maschine, MPD+plugin, Ren, MPC60).

The 2000XL is generally a solid machine. I used the hell out of one between 2002 and 2008 with not a single hitch that I can remember. Either get it fixed or sell it for spares and repairs on eBay, whatever is the most cost effective.

While I loved my 2000XL, when I rebought an MPC I went for the 2500 - every bit as good, sounds great, and with Compact Flash and USB I can easily dump samples from my computer onto it without thinking about CF-mods, floppies, SCSI and other 90s-era headaches. With JJOS a 1000 is virtually as good.

Whatever you go with. Read the manual. Get the (really good) tutorials from this site. Learn in a linear way, don't get frustrated by advanced stuff when you haven't nailed the basics. Don't worry about making killer tracks that are going to set the world on fire - that's too much pressure. Have fun getting geeky with the box of tricks. Learn as much as you can. Let the good stuff flow later.
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By Star One Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:36 am
There's teenage girls on this forum who make it happen. Just takes a lot of time. Yeah having your gear take the piss outta you is the worst, same for anything when you work so hard for something. But the way I see it, and if we could travel to the future you would feel the same in your position, but in later days its this stuff that molds you in your music and in person.

Like all the madness it takes. Can just look at it like your bein tested. So when things like this knock your head, and your like know what... Bun that. And keep at it. The next thing come along to go wrong, be a lot easier.

I don't know if I'm making much sence. I shot you a PM. Wish I would of caught this sooner.

But after reading all the stuff people took time here to say, totally changed the way I felt about how people on forums (especially music ones) are. I've got a lot of respect for this guys, and everything they said, I'm even applying to things I've got going on.

There's a lot of good brothers on here... Looks like they got your back on this one. Maybe not in person, but still. It should say something. Hang in there
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By cunoSvaa Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:23 pm
if i was 18 and had what they do now…

id be using a computer man… the 2000xl is a good machine but its time consuming…


we live in the era of the Buy It Now… you want chops immediately drums you don't wanna have to spend ages to find your grail break or that perfect sound… peole have already found most of the dope samples out there.. and provide it to you for a small fee.


honestly if you want the asr 10 get the rack module and some computer programs and a machine if you want pads… lol the asr is a beast its big and if something goes wrong and you have to send it off for repairs or try them yourself and mess something up… what a pain the ass.

id get a cheap 1000 if you WANT a mic its small light weight can easily fit in a back pack and has dumb options you can use or modify it.

grind though… some of my fav producers use computer programs now days because it gives them more options… (plus they have mastered the golden sound)

OG mpc's will always be my way of work its why i like beats… I'm no supertstar or what ever its my therapy.

either way make beats with what ever you can… eventually you'll find out what to rock with!
By Clint Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:01 pm
StarOne wrote:There's teenage girls on this forum who make it happen... Looks like they got your back on this :nod:


And it is a breath of fresh air, hearing a female perspective on this stuff.