beats coming out of 2kxl vs. recorded 2kxl beat on comp

Listening to the Tracks 9th Wonder did on Destinys Child CD i noticed that they dont have that thump thump. The snares dont pop hard and the kicks sound muffled. But the beats are hot to me anyways

JessBeats wrote:Here's an article for you to read, make sure you read it though. It talks about in detail what i've been telling you about.

http://www.digidesign.com/digizine/archive/digizine_september04/techtalk/

i hear u clear but, bias is what i see more in sense of digidesign. though they are industry leaders in their field it still comes down to what u want to achieve at the end of the day.

I did stated that ive run pretty much every DAE, bias opinions has nothing to do with the reason digidesign are leaders in their field which simply comes down to being the best.

I see your point though, if you would preffer to paint a blank canvas with 4 different colour crayons instead of 32 thats your choice.

Anyway my help in here is done, read the article.

Whatever, they try to push you away from external summing to mix in the box, that's just hogwash. lower noise perhaps, but why do all the pro studios I've seen never mix in the box when it's serious? Digital summing is still inadequate compared to analog. And Dithering isn't the greatest thing, it is actually introducing digital noise to the signal to randomize it a bit, but it does not get you a more accurate recording, it actually makes the digital recording less accurate.

That Article is Digi Marketing not so cleverly disguised, there is so much conflict of interest it isn't even funny. Digi are not the best. You like 24 bit internal processing when cakewalk and everything else has 32 bit float internal processing? Who is using 4 crayons and who is using 32?

neve boards are the shyt though, but just because you've bought marketing hype doesn't mean that you should try and shove it down other peoples throats.

el, for what you'd work with to record, would you start with something like a 16 track reel to reel???

Man, I'd almost kill for a 16 track 1 inch machine. Damn, why you have to bring that up ?

If we're talkin money no Object for the best sound, tape is great, the maintenence can be a hassle, but nothing digital can touch analog tape yet, but really we are talking 2 inch stereo, that's where you really get the best results, usually coming from a 24 track 2 inch machine, but 16 on one inch is great too. But tape's expensive, so for home use half inch or so is great.

nah man, if I'm paying the bill, everything is going to a multitrack 2 inch machine, then through a nice transformer board like an old neve or API to a 2 track 2 inch (studer please!) then from there to a digital recorder for the CD's. but I'd send the tape to get Vinyl pressed.

but that's a real expensive route, hard to DIY.

a 16 track machine would be really cool to have, I have friends that rock them, and their sound is great. If you can get one and can afford the tape and maintenence then go for it.

Computer wise I prefer Nuendo with RME hardware, kills everything else in terms of sound, and many people are vocal about how good it sounds, including me
PT has a sound, that many people now grew into, so they are used to it, but discerning ears can hear a difference, and then it is down to taste as far as what you like in terms of sound, but even the numbers crush PT, 24 bit internal, vs. the 32 bit internal available on everything not using Digi Hardware.

I keep on seeing this 1/2" fostex 16 track reel to reel on ebay popping up, had bad experiences with my 4 track fostex so not sure if that unit is worth the $300-400 it's going for.. but then again, I guess I gotta get something to record to computer besides the miamidi.. any suggestions for that???

no disresepct sir and as you know, you see me sitting at the only rupert neve focusrite forte console in the world and your talking to me about analogue gear, if I was about "summing inside the box" you'd be looking at a pic of myself in a room with a computer monitor and two nearfields.

My help was directed towards the poster of this thread who needed help with understanding how to make do best with a low budget "DAE" set up.

24bit hardware is 24bit hardware, whether or not pluggins or mix bus processes the data at a 32bit floating point really doesnt matter to me, I still sum my tracks on a neve or ssl and print down to a studer on 2 inch tape then off with the tape to sony for mastering.

Having said that, I'm very impressed with HD192 and digital mixing is eventually begining to sound as smooth as analogue and it won't be long before the technology takes the next step.

I can tell you do know what your talking about on paper and i can tell that youve studied engineering but from some of the terms you use I can tell that your on new info and havn't practised for that long. forgive me if i'm wrong.

take care, all my best.

Ken Lewis only mixes in PT, he uses the internal PT summing bus.

Check out the below list, i'm sure you'll recognize a few tracks in your collection.

http://www.protoolsmixing.com/credits.html

Yeah man, my beef wasn't so much with you but with the article you posted. Digidesign uses very dirty tricks to put forward their products, including sabotaging things with theor drivers (more so on the low end stuff to push buyers to their high end systems) and that article is trying to poo poo the very valid criticisms layed against them.

It argues against analog summing, but every PT studio I see has a big desk, Apogees or better, and some kind of tape or expensive CD recorder.

Seems like you prefer that method too. Sorry if I came off a bit harsh, I just quit smoking.

You are right, I could use a lot more time around studers and Neve's