Samples

Yo this is my first time askin catz for lil info. So be easy fo I have to tighten yo ass up..lol

This may be easy for many of you but, I'm real new to the art of sampling.

Anyway- I got the 2000 class.

When choppin my samples I want them to loop seemlessly by the bar. When I go under trim to chop the sample down how can I read the bars of the sample? I see start and end. And I go ahead and chop the end but I always end up chopping either to little or too much.

Once you chop the sample down there is no way to undo it. So it becomes a very annoying situation.

I figure if I'm able to read the bars then I should be good.

After I chop either too much or too little when I go to loop my sample its not matchin the bars seemlessly. There is either a lapse in the sample or a gap in the bar before the sample recycles again.

Help a brotha out before I start problems.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh forget it.

I figured it out. It just boils down to having a good ear and paitence. No one ever said this was easy. Creativety always come with a challenge.

But if anyone knows how to read the bars by the numbers shown in the trim screen feeld free to respond.

Lata!

5k on a studio and you can't loop a sample

exactly how you said it! its about good hearing and patience! you'll learn. and the numbers, well i dont think you can read bars by those numbers but you'll get used to them! trust me. when i first tried to chop i didnt know shit bout the numbers, but just like anything else you'll get used to seeing them. and by then you'll be confortable with it

What up J?

I see you clownin again.. Its all good.

Ive heard alot bad chops on this sight from people who are mp experts.

Ive never sampled before. Believe when I get the hang of it, itll be official.

Yo, Em. Just fine tune the start and end points of the sample but don't cut it yet. Run your track with the sample and just keep going into the trim screen and fine tune your points until they sound the way you want it when you hit Play. This will save you from cutting your sample too short and having to sample it all over again. Once you have the sample exactly how you want it to sound then you should cut it. I learned that the hard way when I first started Hope that helps


One...

Ron I appreciate it dun.

I figured it out tho- earlier today. I was born for this. I sampled two records and shhhts hot yo.

My first time samplin and it came out hot. When I get a chance I'll dump my first sampled based joint to soundclick.

Thanks tho!!! Fo real!

Here are some other tips:

Loop the sample in the sequencer, not in the edit window. Basically make sure the start point of the sample is good, then Sequence the sample at 1:1:00 in the sequence. Then set the sample to "mono" so it plays all the way through, but cuts itself off once the sample is triggered again. Then just slowly adjust the tempo until it loops where you want it............i still do this even if i get a good loop in the trim window, sometimes if you slowlly increase the tempo of the sequencer like .2 or .5 bpms you get an edgier feel to where your sample is placed and how it loops.

Use tap tempo. tap it naturally to the rhythm of the sample. Alot of times i just imagine where i think the snares are gonna hit (imagine what drums sound like to it) then just tap to where the snares will be....that will be your tempo, and you can also count the beats so you know how many bars it will be.

Listen for downbeats of samples. you want your samples to start on the 1's of the bar. The snares are the 2's. So dont trim or chop your sample after the downbeat (unless of course thats how you want to flip it) So forexample, if you are looping a drum loop, dont trim the start point up to a snare, usually its starts with 1 or 2 kicks. Granted, it all depends on the context of the sample, but this could be a problem you are having when looping those joints!

if i think of somemore ill let you know. Also, personally I can just straight out tell how long a sample is, whether its 1 bar, 2 bars, or 4........just because of natural practice. Tempo is a little harder to tell what it is, but i can usually just hear if its "in the range" of what i want. So with practice youll be straight. I think that with sampling its something you develop. Some people like good djs, have the ear for it, but thats because its been developed from djing. But i really think you need to just cultivate it. ITs not like you can just read something and instantly know what to do, like somethings. Thats because it extends beyond just fitting tempos and bars, its also about fitting sounds that sonically match, and things like that. Keep it up. Dont get discouraged, even if you totally hit a wall and feel like you dont know how to sample right; Follow your emotions, and listen to your internal beat clock.

Peace.


BTW. search for a thread about "sampling techniques" or something to that effect, there was like 3 really really good posts on some peoples sample techniques.

peace

I appreciate it cy!

Thanx for the tips.

I had the tempo perfectly fitted with the sample. But the problem arose with the bars. So I had to chop the sample down so it recycled/looped properly.

Say for instance I sample something and then I go and fit it with the tempo so its ridin with the tempo nice and evenly. Then I want it to loop for whatever bars. I then ride with the bars until BANG once the first bar comes back I either had a lapse in my sample or a blank sound cuz my sample wasnt as long as the bar.

So what I did is let the sample play(after hittin the play/start and overdub buttons)(just so I can hear the tempo), and listened with the tempo on and watched the bars all at once until I got the feel of how the bars flow. I then went resampled and chopped it up nicely and it was all good.

I think I got it down now. I'm a quick learner.

I'm built for this! haaaa

Thanx tho!!!

this is my secret and i wont explain it in to much detail, im a mathmatician if you paid attention in math class you would know that if you have a sample in trim 0-264463 i can tell u that 2600 falls exactly at
001.01.34.678956734 this is just an example i didnt really figure this one out mathmatically but you get the picture. in this case you would round to 001.01.35 do the math kids when i started doing that ish my tracks improved 900%

jimisteele wrote: do the math kids when i started doing that ish my tracks improved 900%

Precisely...Even when using the time signature mode, which I use alot, it all boils down to basic math...I make a loop and start messing with the time sig for about six of eight bars and so that when the beat is looping... as each bar goes thru its count, it looks like this

bar 1 2/4
bar 2 1/2
bar 3 1/2
bar 4 3/4
bar 5 4/4
bar 6 1/4
bar 7 1/2
bar 8 1/2


Messing with the time sig by cutting up 4/4s leads to interesting stuff...

Also as it states in the manual end margin: the last portion of the sample will be diminished by the decay envelope. THis shit really pisses me off especially when i start chopping samples. You have to sample nothing just hit sample then stop then silence section then insert the sample into silence just so it plays the end all the way.

so Be aware even with one sample that where you are chopping your samples end is a guess you can either A: chop it to long so it sounds right or B try to guess then do what i described above.

i usually choose B takes more time though

example in trim your sample looks like this /;;;;;;;;;;;/
then you make it look like this /;;;;;;;;;;; /
you add blank sample to the end.
i dont know why im tell you this priceless ish that took me years to figure out on my own.