another mpc2kxl gripe

i have both a 1k and 2kxl just had a look up of smpte, do you mean the internal clock could be slightly different meaning you could get minute timing differences ie 80bpm on the 1k might be different to 80bpm on the triton?

thanks for the info appreciate that .

peace

SMPTE is what people use to lock sequencers & drum machines to tape/daw in pro-studios. My point is, if you intend working in a pro environment - having pro equipment (or being used to it) is gonna be a plus..

Oh and dont forget u need to buy the chip as well....

The clock in every piece of gear is different. 80BPM in PT is not the same as 80BPM in an MPC. That's why SMPTE and MTC exist. If you pressed play on your 1000 and 2000 at exactly the same time, eventually they would drift. Time code keeps everything locked to a common clock. That's how people track records. You don't have to use SMPTE, you can use Midi Clock or MTC but I believe SMPTE is slightly better.

That said, I never use SMPTE anymore. That's more from the days of tape machines than digital recorders.

Also, I have to say that the effects in the 1000 are hardly usable, maybe just to get an idea of how verb sounds on something or for a little compression on the drums but thats about it. Also, the 8 outs really helps alot. Not just when tracking records but also when composing. Alot of times I find myself not needing to track records if I just send what I want out of the 8 outs and mix as I go along. I would blow past 4 outs pretty quickly.

Hollerrrrrr

i agree in a pro environment 2k xl beats the 1k hands down. With the update the 1k has alot of nice features that the 2k xl doesnt have. I would like to hear some ones music and how much more advanced it sounds done through a 1k compared to a 2k xl. Think about how many of your favorite records were made on a 2kxl and how many were made on a 1k. If you read any producer magazines or know active producers a large % of them use the 2k xl. As for the sound almost all producers run the 8 outs through outboard gear to achieve prefered sound. As for certain editing features not many producers do everything in the mpc, to my knowledge most editing is done in the recording program after the tracks are dumped.
Talk to the producers who have made millions on the 2k xl and see what they say. Change is good but how much of this stuff do you really need? Good marketing will have you thinking that you stuff is never good enough.
There is a reason why people still use the mpc60 and old keyboards, real producers are not eager to upgrade. People spend hourd on forums bitching about gear and minutes creating music(get your skillz up) what part of the game is that? Limitations can be advantages!

fire wrote:The clock in every piece of gear is different. 80BPM in PT is not the same as 80BPM in an MPC. That's why SMPTE and MTC exist. If you pressed play on your 1000 and 2000 at exactly the same time, eventually they would drift. Time code keeps everything locked to a common clock. That's how people track records. You don't have to use SMPTE, you can use Midi Clock or MTC but I believe SMPTE is slightly better.

SMPTE and MTC are essentially the same. MTC is just the MIDI version of SMPTE. Neither have a clock. They are both positional references and not clock/tempo references.

If you want to sync to a DAW use Midi Beat clock. That makes sure that both machines have one common tempo reference. Also MIDI Beat clock contains a Song Position Pointer (SPP) which tells the MPC where in the song its at. SPP is kinda like a mini SMPTE/MTC but less accurate.

"But this works only when saving sound by sound. Sounds whithin a program will always be saved as .SND files, if they have not been .WAV files before and then loaded into the program."
The 2kxl can read/write and load SND and WAV right outta the box.
I'm sorry but that's just wrong. YOu can choose to sav samples as wav or snd when you save a program or aps file.
au/snd audio file isw what he's talking about.

"SMPTE and MTC are essentially the same. MTC is just the MIDI version of SMPTE. Neither have a clock. They are both positional references and not clock/tempo references.
If you want to sync to a DAW use Midi Beat clock. That makes sure that both machines have one common tempo reference. Also MIDI Beat clock contains a Song Position Pointer (SPP) which tells the MPC where in the song its at. SPP is kinda like a mini SMPTE/MTC but less accurate."
You've been pounding this into cats heads alot recently , I wonder do cats even search and find your answers already, prolly not.

Lampdog wrote:"But this works only when saving sound by sound. Sounds whithin a program will always be saved as .SND files, if they have not been .WAV files before and then loaded into the program."
The 2kxl can read/write and load SND and WAV right outta the box.
I'm sorry but that's just wrong. YOu can choose to sav samples as wav or snd when you save a program or aps file.
au/snd audio file isw what he's talking about.

"SMPTE and MTC are essentially the same. MTC is just the MIDI version of SMPTE. Neither have a clock. They are both positional references and not clock/tempo references.
If you want to sync to a DAW use Midi Beat clock. That makes sure that both machines have one common tempo reference. Also MIDI Beat clock contains a Song Position Pointer (SPP) which tells the MPC where in the song its at. SPP is kinda like a mini SMPTE/MTC but less accurate."
You've been pounding this into cats heads alot recently , I wonder do cats even search and find your answers already, prolly not.

Tell me about it.

I think I answered the same question about two threads down.

Maybe the first sticky should be "use the search function"

But you'd prolly have people asking how to use the search function.

jaem wrote:

net3dom wrote:using the 2000 as a tape recorder.

hey einstein, you got a tascam dm24, a 002 rack.....and ur using a 2kxl as a 'tape recorder'






someone get this guy a helmet pronto!!!!!!
i mean the world is full of sharp objects he might hurt himself

fa real....

so your "studio space" isnt clear.....how much space do you need to use the rack?

congrats, youre the slowpoke of the month....

im real confused about how u use the mp as a tape recorder. someone explain

Lampdog wrote:The 2kxl can read/write and load SND and WAV right outta the box.
I'm sorry but that's just wrong. YOu can choose to sav samples as wav or snd when you save a program or aps file.
au/snd audio file isw what he's talking about.

Damn, you´re right!
It was just about turning the wheel further to choose this option!
I even knew that option long before, but I never used it, how could I forget about it...
It would have saved me much work of creating dedicated wav folders and loading the sounds back into my programs before saving them!
Thanks, Lamp!

delano517 wrote: Change is good but how much of this stuff do you really need? Good marketing will have you thinking that you stuff is never good enough.

That´s right, they already got me on their hype, too, but I´m going for the 4000 (for many good reasons).
Someday, this will also happen to the 1000 and 2500 user´s out there.