MPC /Triton Sampler

Fruitty loops and my software programs have been very good to me financially. In the last couple of months I purchased an MPC and a Triton Rack.
I had a lot of projects that had to be finished in FL and they are finally done.
So now I'm ready to jump in to my MPC with both feet.

Take into account I have fitted my MPC and Triton with zip drives.

I have some questions geared for those who own a Triton and an MPC 2xl
1. Which sampler do you guys prefer to use. MPC2xl or Triton

2. Why


3. I was wondering does anyone send the output sound of the MPC thru the triton engine to take advantage of it's effects engine.

4. Is this even possible.

The triton is a full blown sampler. The mpc 2000xl is more of a drum sampler. You can laod akai emu and roland sound libraries into the xl but as far as sampling/synthesis the triton is without question the main sampler.

The efx section in the triton is superior to alot of gear out there. Definitley use the mpc as the main sequencer. It's a fierce drum sampler and beat manipulator too.
The triton outshines it in beat manipulation; and i don't like the way drums sound on the triton; too clean and thin however the beat slicer is equivalent to propellerheads recycle and then some. The timestretching is faster and really spot on. It's better for synth samples. You also have realtime filter/reso sweeps on the triton.
So although the mpc has alot of the same features; the sound engine is a bit grittier; which is fantastic for drums and basses but horrible for synth sounds. So all your pads/ keyboard, synth patches/samples should be taken care of on the triton. Your drums and loops should be handled by the mpc via onboard (inside the mpc) and the loops should be sliced onboard the triton and exported to disk to load on the mpc; again I just don't like drum loops/ kitts on the triton; they don't have that grit that's immediatley noticeable on the mpc 2000xl.
This is just my opinion; others will differ.

peace

My fault; it is possible to bus the efx from the triton to a mixer. Go to www.tritonhaven.com for fierce tips and a tutorial on how to do this.
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gritty is not a word that is usually associated with the 2000/2000xl.

bbchoke wrote:gritty is not a word that is usually associated with the 2000/2000xl.

Guess it all depends on who you ask, cuz I think the sampling on the MPC is MAD grimey, thats why I like it.

actually the only complaint about the 2000/2000xl is that its sounds holow and not grimey compared to the other mpcs. thats not what i say its what many people say.

I don't know what you sampled on cuzin; but when you compare an emu sampler; the triton; motif, fantom and the mpc 2000xl; guess which one sounds gritty/grimey? loading cd-roms into the mpc 2000xl even gives you grittiness

damixx wrote:I don't know what you sampled on cuzin; but when you compare an emu sampler; the triton; motif, fantom and the mpc 2000xl; guess which one sounds gritty/grimey? loading cd-roms into the mpc 2000xl even gives you grittiness

true....it give the sample a sluggish more bassy sound......sampling on the triton is clearer and the lows are not that low...on the motif the lows and highs are there for a crispy sound...not gritty.....e mu sampler samples like the triton but a little more on the lows.....now the esoniq asr 10's 16 bit is grittier than the mpc's 16 bit but the asr 10's are always having problems

This is obsurd. Grittyness? haha what? The sounds loaded into the MPC are only as "gritty" as they are when you load them inside. The MPC does not have built in sounds so the sounds loaded in the machine are what you git. You can adjust the frequency of the sample you use to make it sound that way but you can do the same thing on any software program.

This is obsurd. Grittyness? haha what? The sounds loaded into the MPC are only as "gritty" as they are when you load them inside.

I don't have much to compare the MPC to. Its the only sampling drum machine I've ever spent quality time with, so I can't say whats grittier than what. But I'm pretty sure the resulting sound has something to do with the samplers analogue to digital converters. So, if different brands/models have different converters, I can see how some machines may color sounds different than others. I don't see much "obsurdity" in that.

Phedeks wrote:This is obsurd. Grittyness? haha what? The sounds loaded into the MPC are only as "gritty" as they are when you load them inside. The MPC does not have built in sounds so the sounds loaded in the machine are what you git. You can adjust the frequency of the sample you use to make it sound that way but you can do the same thing on any software program.

So you're saying the processor has NOTHING to do w/the final color of the sound?

I think you are misinformed my friend. Of course different machines will have varying results, and the MPC is one of the more grimy sounding samplers.

I love it though.

All my opinion of course, to each his own.

How am I mis-informed. I've heard people use this argument as to why hardware is better than software. Then they go listen to a beat made on Cubase not knowing its cubase then say see you hear that, you cant get that sound on a computer. Then once told that was made on a computer they look like idiots. Alot of "radio" beats are made on the MPC and that quality is as clean as it can be. Not only because of the final mix because of the kits they use. If you use a old drum loop from vinyl and run it to the mpc yes it will sound "Gritty" But if your using processed kits with great quality its going to sound like that not "Gritty". Its all in the head of hardware people trying to justify why the mpc is so great. I have a MPC and dont notice anything anymore gritty than my friend who uses Cubase or Reason.

Phedeks wrote:How am I mis-informed. I've heard people use this argument as to why hardware is better than software. Then they go listen to a beat made on Cubase not knowing its cubase then say see you hear that, you cant get that sound on a computer. Then once told that was made on a computer they look like idiots. Alot of "radio" beats are made on the MPC and that quality is as clean as it can be. Not only because of the final mix because of the kits they use. If you use a old drum loop from vinyl and run it to the mpc yes it will sound "Gritty" But if your using processed kits with great quality its going to sound like that not "Gritty". Its all in the head of hardware people trying to justify why the mpc is so great. I have a MPC and dont notice anything anymore gritty than my friend who uses Cubase or Reason.

I didn't mean to piss you off dude, relax. I'm just saying 16bit analog sampling as opposed to something digital, and a little more powerful, initially ( i mean before cleanup) is going to vary in quality.

Maybe i'm wrong though. I'm just an MC with an MPC.

Thanks for the Info guys. On the gritty issue I dont know.

the mpc 60 does sound gritter cuz its a 12 but sampler at a lower sampling rate. they key here is the a/d d/a converters. at 16 bit 44.1 resolution (the mpc 2000 & 2kxl) it tales 44,100 slices of the sound to convert to digital data then back from that to analog for output.
in the 12 bit, ( forget the khz of the mpc 60 my bad) it takes less slices so the sound is not as true to the original, this is what you are calling "grittiness" the sound coming out is not the same sound as went it, its low fi, not cd quality but it sounds good.

to do this, simply sample to pc, at a lower sampling bitrate and khz, then convert to 16 bit 44.1 so it will load in the mpc (or 16 bit 48 khz etc.) 2000xl and bam! the same sound you'd get out of an mpc 60.

the reason pro's like Dj Premiere say "i use an mpc 60" dont mean they dont use a 2k it means that the sound they are going for is the low fi mpc 60 sound, the "gritty" sound. and since he can afford to own 5-10 mpc's he can afford to have an mpc 60 and not spend the extra 10-20 minutes per sound making the MPC 2000XL sound like the MPC 60. he can afford to own 10 keyboards with his mpc 60 so all he is using it for is sampling drums and sequencing. most of us cannot, so we cop the gear that is the most flexible, ie the MPC 2000xl can be made to sound like and MPC 60 but NOT vice versa. so we cop the 2000 and spend the xtra time making the beats grimey.

a good xample is the SP1200. ITs not worth it to me to spend 1200 bux on a drum machine when I can spennd an extra 20 minutes on my mpc and get the same sounds. the cats who own them can afford to buy it and not spend that xtra time, instant gratification.
I will say that the advantage to owning all the gear is that creativity isnt stifled, Ive lost some ideas where I spend 1 hr making someting sound mpc 60 then decided I didnt like it. what took me 1 hour to learn i hated I couldve figued out and moved on in 10 miuntes if i had a spare MPC 60.