Any MFer's out there?

I understand both standpoints, but I am not referring to sampling from Hip Hop only. I am referring to sampling from music period point blank. I don't use drum sounds from new hip hop albums I mainly get my drums from old funk albums like Ohio Players, Confunkshun, Shalamar, and even some older MJ stuff. I only sample drum hits anyway, I don't use drum loops. I may use a vocal loop or a melody from an older record like some Anita Baker or Gladys Knight, but otherwise not. I just don't feel like anyone has the right to give another "artist" grief about his/her sources unless you are the individual whose rights have been infringed upon.

D. James

I hear you DJames, It's not about grief, it's about the craft. All the great producers of the past and present (I mean, been in the game for 10+ years and still doin it) adhered to that rule and their shit was always different, fresh. Now a lot of shit is stale same ol same ol shit, and it is kinda that approach that kills it.

elmacaco wrote:I hear you DJames, It's not about grief, it's about the craft. All the great producers of the past and present (I mean, been in the game for 10+ years and still doin it) adhered to that rule and their **** was always different, fresh. Now a lot of **** is stale same ol same ol ****, and it is kinda that approach that kills it.

I can definitely agree to that. Thanks for clarifying!
Peace,
D. James

"...Hey cat..wha you stole mah snare mane?..dat aint Hip Hop!"

Haha we got the hip hop consortium over here!!

I don't care what anybody says this is past hip-hop there is no rules in music period, I don't care if you do Salsa or beat on drums in Africa, the whole point of music is for people to enjoy, it's not just for pretensious artists with a rule book on not using keyboards and just sampling from old records, music is for people that buy music, so I love it when I see people bobbin their heads to my beats that I made with no samples outta my own creativity, how you gonna say that's not original and I'm a biter, when everything you use in your music you got from someone else, but you know what??? I ain't even knockin' your style do what you gotta do but don't call me a biter, and if you such a pro Elmacco where ya beats at??? Check me out at http://www.soundclick.com/skiggyska

At one time or another all of us has jacked drums from a producer. Unless you are sitting home with a drum kit mic'ed up & this is your only source for drums then you are jackin. Think about it, when you trade sounds with your peeps you are doing it. With that being said, I will say STOP BEING SO DAMNED LAZY!!! If you hear a certain sound, find a way to make that sound.In order to get that Griity sound, Rick Rubin Slowed the tape down after recording the beat for It's Yours. At the time, nothing was sounding like that. Experimentation gave the game some new tihs.

When did I say I was a pro? I just know my MPC well, and try to help people here as best I can.
Maybe my beats are wack, maybe they're fire, I'll tell you one thing tho, they don't sound like Dre or Kanye.

I never called you a biter fool, when did this become about you? The act of jackin a recently used sample from a producer is called biting. deal with it.

Sampling a sample from a hip hop record is biting unless you really flip it. Hip Hop started by people trying to make something different. If someone else did it first, they would do something else completely. Even DJ's were trying to be different, that's how scratching, the cross fader, and the cue channel came into being. Name 1 new innovation in hip hop in the last 10 years?

Now it seems everybody is just trying to make MTV beats the easiest way possible to get paid or some kind of bragging rights. We have very few artists left, just opportunists.

I guess your right I am an opportunist, and I would love for my shit to be on MTV one day as long as I'm getting MTV money, it doesn't mean I gotta sell my soul, you just gotta know how to balance creativity with what people wanna hear, and I'm all with making music people wanna hear and dance to, if I was making music for just myself I would sit a basement all day making all sorts of the wall shit I loved and no else even understood, bottom line I'm making music for the people to appreciate not just myself, besides I gotta eat and I plan on doing that through music if that makes me a fool then I'm the biggest damn fool in this forum, anyways I do understand where your coming from with the biting but sometimes when your starting out and don't got much paper you gotta do what you gotta do

Dollar bins don't have Kanye...yet...

Imagine a Painter talkin that way. or a sculptor.

Crate digging or using sample packs like the ones sold on sites like mpc tutor and the other one that starts with "ken" and ends with "fen.com" is the only way to go. If you want to excel at anything you don't get there by biting the flavor of the week. You have to go back to the roots. The roots are in the crates. A lot of guys doing sample cds and sounds have massive vinyl collections and processing gear that they use to put together some slamming kits. Check out the DjAz kits on the site that starts with "ken" and ends with "fen.com" (silly that this gets censored, it's such a great MPC resource). DjAz saves me a lot of time when it comes to sourcing sounds.

Just my 2 cents.

trkkazulu

djames wrote:

Dos wrote:D James, how old are you?

I'm old enough to know that most of the Hip Hop music you listen to if not all of it is sampled. Either the kicks snares melodies whatever. For you cats to compare lyrics with sampling is absurd. Think about it for a second, if it were'nt for sampling Hip Hop would not even be around. Do you really think cats like the Sugar Hill Gang and Furious Five used original music.... the answer is He!! No! For you to question my age makes me question your whole mindstate. I don't care who your favorite artist is nor do I give a fuc about what you think is distatsteful. Sampling is an artform just like writing and music as a whole for that matter. So if that is "biting" I don't expect to ever hear a sample being used by any of you cats. BTW whoever said that you should atleast get your drums from a sample disk is also very misguided.....Where do you think those sounds come from.....Hmmmm maybe another sample. Please think things through before you post some BS.

james i think u were reffering to me. the sample drums i use are played by a drummer not sampled off a record. then they use various effects and dynamics processors, so i dont consider that "misguided". And its very different to chop a snare outta a nas song then to pay $100 for a sample cd with drums that were miced and preformed by a drummer. Biting is wack in hip hop. I think that its hella lame, but the only person that really knows is you. Aint no one gonna call you out, but wouldnt you feel like a cornball taking a kick off a roots record then a sanre off a timbaland record? at least with the sample cds you gotta pay for em so they have more worth to me then jackin some new hip hop kit.

Don't take that snare from Doom's beat, because if/when you someday manage to find that same actual snare sound yourself, it's the best f*cking feeling!! Then you can tweak it to your liking and do whetever the f*ck you want with it.( And no - I don't mean finding the MP3, I mean finding the real thing on wax).
Besides, most of the drum hits that you hear on hiphop beats consist of many different sounds, all layered and tweaked. So sampling that sound would mean biting the sound of the guy who made the beat.. And how would you feel when you've spend hours and hours of work finding and tweaking sounds, then someone else just sampled the finished sound from your beat with minimum effort?

Bottom line is that if you find an already used snare sound or a drum break yourself, then you should definitely try and flip it and experiment with it. Try all kinds of different ish.. But sampling the snare or the break straight from another beat is nothing but lazy, uninnovative, and weak!

Ey Cheech I feel u on the no sample a sample theory but every recording of a snare/sound is a question of processing by a soundengineer so basically to be completely true you would have to sample a drumkit yourself and layer those sounds. Don't mean to beef or anything just wanted to make my 300th post LOL.

ha ha no beef I understand where you're coming from...
But it's not like that. I'll try to explain it in another way:

With a camera you can take a picture of something someone else has made, let's say for example a statue of some sort. (And I'm not talking about the kind of pics where your friends are standing in front of the statue waving their hands and smiling..) If you have artistic vision and you really know how to take a good picture then the picture can be considered art.

But if someone else takes a picture of that picture you took it mos def wouldn't be considered art. see what I mean?