2000 or the 2000xl

after lots of thought and reading all of the manuels ive decided for my first mpc i want to get either the 2000 or the xl. So i want to get some of you guys opinion how does the 2000 compare to the xl in flipping samples, sequencing, and storage options

Notable differences:
Flipping samples - same, but no slice or timestretch on the 2000 classic
Sequencing - same
Storage options - no internal card reader in 2000 classic

thanks that helps alot

Also on the MPC 2000 there is no folders so if you have ever seen a Zip 100 disk with 15 beats without folders you will soon appreciate something as simple as a folder.

http://www.mpc2000xl.com

Summary of differences between MPC2000 and MPC2000XL

Both use same Effects board, 8-out expander and the sample engine between them is essentially the same. Many improvements on the Seqeucner section and a few added features in the sample editing area:

-XL sequencer memory increased from 100,000 events to 300,000

-XL dedicated Next Sequence button

-XL has 4 buttons for pad/bank selection vs the former 1

-XL can access 4 drum programs simultaneously, essentially making it 4 part multitimbral

-Number of samples stored doubled to 256 on the XL

-Folder support for storage on the XL

-XL can switch between sequences using the pads (just like the track mute/unmute screen)

-XL has SUDDEN button added to immediately switch to next sequence

-XL has 2nd sequence function allows you to associate another sequence to play simultaneously with current one.

-XL can solo from track mute/unmute screen

-XL can change sequences with program changes

-XL Device naming for each midi channel

-XL Midi monitor screen

-XL has improved multiple track recording by specifying which tracks to record and what channels for soft through

-XL Resample a sound with a different bit depth or sampling rate

-XL Zone mode allows you to select up to 16 zones

-XL Slice function. When samples zoned like above, you can automatically create new program (with pad assignments and with extra specified samples at end of each sample because of the sample decay ). (Sort of like Recycle, but you have to manual zone the sample)

-XL Timestretch function with slightly modifiable presets: 1. FEM VOX 2. MALE VOX 3. LOW MALE VOX 4. VOCAL 5. HFREQ RHYTHM 6. MFREQ RHYTHM 7. LFREQ RHYTHM 8. PERCUSSION 9. LFREQ PERC. 10. STACCATO 11. LFREQ SLOW 12. MUSIC 1 13. MUSIC 2 14. MUSIC 3 15. SOFT PERC. 16. HFREQ ORCH. 17. LFREQ ORCH. 18. SLOW ORCH.

-XL has automatic Chromatic assignment. Essentially allows you to create a keygroup across the key/pads from one sample.

-XL has internal IDE port so you can replace the floppy with a Zip drive.

-New List price of the XL is much lower than the new list price of the former model.

-XL has a swivel screen and comes in three color schemes.

-You can now switch from REC/OVERDUB to PLAY and vice versa without having to stop the sequencer.

classic 2k has a dope jog wheel though! really helps navigate those menus


and ive never done a side by side comparison, but ive heard the classic 2k has a better sound. dont quote me on that one though.

i have a classic 2k, and i have used the 2kxl. If my 2k broke today i would not upgrade to the xl, i just love that jog wheel too much

the one thing though that I find an advantage is the possibility to have folders in the xl.

dstruction wrote:classic 2k has a dope jog wheel though! really helps navigate those menus


and ive never done a side by side comparison, but ive heard the classic 2k has a better sound. dont quote me on that one though.

i have a classic 2k, and i have used the 2kxl. If my 2k broke today i would not upgrade to the xl, i just love that jog wheel too much

its crazy how something as simple as a jog wheel will keep someone from going up.
as far as the 2 units go. i would take the xl over the classic anyday. and the only reason is that it is essentially the same machine with some better features. it is close enough that you could reference it like the classic is a 1000 and the xl is a 1000 with jjos. but they are both good machines no doubt

Is not having folders on the 2k really a problem? Can't you just name them 01-sample1, 01-sample2, etc for beat one and then 02-sample1, 02-sample2, etc, for beat 2 or something similar to differentiate between the different samples and beats?

^You don't need to do that, I just save .APS and .ALL for all my beats and load those files when I want to listen to them, my zip disks have a bunch of .SND files on them but they're in the back of my mind. 2000 classic sounds different too.

http://www.illmuzik.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12491
Does the second post hold any merit?

classic wrote:Your better off wit an XL or 1000 casue the 2000 is missing key features that you will need. Espically if you plan on using it as your main sequncer.

I use the MPC2000 as my main sequencer, haven't had any problems yet.

classic wrote:Key funtions like autochomatic funtions, step edit, more programs etc.. are VERY important.

The MPC 2000 has a 16 levels function for doing autochromatic, a very good step edit screen and I've never used more than 1 program per beat.

diatonic wrote:Does the second post hold any merit?

I don't really know the XL that well but it seems like XL users want to knock the classic without even knowing what it can do, much like this guy who's name is 'classic' ironically. He could be talking about the functions he mentions being different, but if he's saying the 2000 doesn't have step edit he is wrong.

Fung45 wrote:

classic wrote:Your better off wit an XL or 1000 casue the 2000 is missing key features that you will need. Espically if you plan on using it as your main sequncer.

I use the MPC2000 as my main sequencer, haven't had any problems yet.

classic wrote:Key funtions like autochomatic funtions, step edit, more programs etc.. are VERY important.

The MPC 2000 has a 16 levels function for doing autochromatic, a very good step edit screen and I've never used more than 1 program per beat.

diatonic wrote:Does the second post hold any merit?

I don't really know the XL that well but it seems like XL users want to knock the classic without even knowing what it can do, much like this guy who's name is 'classic' ironically. He could be talking about the functions he mentions being different, but if he's saying the 2000 doesn't have step edit he is wrong.

well besides the jog wheel, are there any features the 2000 classic has that the xl doesn't have?

Lampdog wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:well besides the jog wheel, are there any features the 2000 classic has that the xl doesn't have?

Nope.

xl is a further implemented 2k, same stuff but more.

yeah exactly.. but the guy I quoted said XL users dont know what the classic can do because we dont have experience using them.