fathertime wrote:why dont u just get a cheap rack effects? 
its less hassle having the effect in the machine, and feeding sends to your sounds, also you need 8 outs if you want to send to a mixer and have some individual sounds having reverb etc..
by the way comrade, about the effects, its true that akai are not the best, but to be honest, its about the same as roland korg etc... yamaha is a bit better, and then you talk lexicons, eventide etc.. now you talking but this is way more expensive.
having the same effects in my 4k, i preffered those on the eb-16, maybe because of the converters of the unit (cd3000xl) but they more warm to my ears, i mainly tried reverbs so im talking about those.