Technical questions for the MPC2000xl and the MPC2000
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By itchyvinyl Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:31 pm
Some of us were discussing the MPC/SP1200 Swing function over in the MPC60 forum. Then Blue Haze posted a Roger Linn article in the Production forum in which he explains the Swing function.

I figured I should re-post it here because over the months I've seen ssooo many posts of people not understanding exactly what the Swing function does. I've tried to explain it, but maybe it's more understandable out of Linn's mouth - the guy who came up with it.
The article is about the Linn LM-1 Drum Machine - and I guess the Swing function was called 'Shuffle' on that machine.......but this is how it works on the MPCs as well.



>>The Linn Shuffle:
"Linn's shuffle feature was unique in the drum machine world, and it's found on every device he's manufactured.... On the front panel of all but the earliest LM-1s is a column of six red LEDs, labeled from 50% to 70% in increments of 4%. Linn explains: 'In order to create a sixteenth-note swing or shuffle feel, you unevenly split the timing of an eighth-note, thereby delaying every second sixteenth-note by some time factor. The LM-1 percentages signify the interval between the first and second sixteenth-note and between the third and fourth sixteenth-note, and so on. If you want both notes to play perfectly even - no shuffle - you would select 50%, which means 50/50. If you make it one clock later, it would be 54/56, or 54%. Delaying it two clocks makes it 58/42, or 58% for the first half and 42% for the second half.'"



PS- The MPC Swing can actually go beyond 70% (it goes to 75%.)
With 50% being no swing.......70% being equvalent to even triplets. If you go beyond 70%, you start to get that real over-swung feel (think JayDee, or D'Angelo ---- not saying they use MPCs necessarily - ?uestlove just has the control to play that feel on real drums)

By sparq Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:47 pm
I don't want to take your post so can you also post this in the mpc1000 forum? I think it will do people good over there. all the newbies and all.

thanks
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By pt3r Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:58 pm
@Itchyvinyl: good looking out, you should add this info to the useful links thread.
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By itchyvinyl Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:07 pm
I don't know guys, maybe we better ask Lampdog before spamming this topic into every forum. :roll:
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By pt3r Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:40 am
I don't think Lampdog has a problem with adding useful posts to the useful links thread , he has more problems with people not reading those posts and just asking the same quetions over and over again :-)
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By itchyvinyl Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:58 pm
OK, there's a thread link in the Newbie Forum now. :)
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By DSTRUCT Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:44 pm
ima show this to my boy whos trying to learn swing. Im a good learner, but im not so great at teaching. Just demonstrating.
Hell be able to understand what the flowers i was talkin about now lol
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By Lampdog Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:17 pm
I need to lock the newbie thread you created (sorry) and ask that you please post this in the USEFUL LINKS thread (my first signature link).
I'm NOT going to delete it though cause it's still GOOD info. Nah, I have no problem with you guys at all, you guys are very thoughful and cordial.

But yeah, whenever you have something THIS useful (I'm sure you have decent judgment also) post it up in the USEFUL links thread that's why I left it as an open sticky ya dig.

-itchyvinyl "maybe we better ask Lampdog before spamming this topic into every forum"
haha, you crazy.

-pt3r "he has more problems with people not reading those posts and just asking the same quetions over and over again"
VERY TRUE. That's why every now and then I'll bump up my USEFUL thread just to keep heads aware that it's there and it's for all of us ya know.
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By dubmunkey Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:40 am
ima show this to my boy whos trying to learn swing. Im a good learner, but im not so great at teaching. Just demonstrating.
Hell be able to understand what the flowers i was talkin about now lol

>>>>>>>>>

problem is i have with people learning swing is why dont they just write a beat and try different swing settings to hear what it does- would make more sense to someone uninititated than reading about the maths behind it...

seriously right a beat- set the swing to 75%, balk at the fact it sounds crap and move the swing down and down noting if each setting is good or not...
greg

By L. Tombstone Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:45 am
Swing is the best ever. Cats is real hi-tech using that sh** in 2005.
Last edited by L. Tombstone on Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

By elmacaco Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:28 am
I use swing if it matches the beat I m pounding, most of the time quantize is off and I play to the click.

Swing is dope though.
By killer joe Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:32 pm
thanx man......good read

By nanoloop Tue May 03, 2005 10:38 am
ive got an old article about roger linn. he came up with his quantising code accidently. when he was writing the ancestral code of the mpc's on his atari. other interesting things he pioneered and stuff like that.

By elmacaco Tue May 03, 2005 11:29 am
Yo Nano I want to read that article, can you post it up?
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By DSTRUCT Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:47 am
yeah post that up yo