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By Ldizzy Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:24 am
SIDSTATION : whatcha guys know about that... i fell in love with it. But i dont fall in love with its unexistence on ebay.. although it means its rare Mehhehehe

Anybody used one of those with an mpc? i know they speak midi
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By elektrik_muz Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:32 am
Ldizzy wrote: i know they speak midi


Yes, but not very well. IMHO Elektron's first product did not nearly live up to the quality standards of their later gear. I briefly owned one of these and sent it back, for three major reasons:

1. The Sid chip died. Most likely killed by a transient voltage because Elektron did not incorporate any kind of isolation between the chip and the audio I/O jacks. It's just straight metal to metal. Considering the Sid is the single most fragile, sensitive, rare and valuable part of the machine AND they don't warn you about this in the manual I got with it (if I'd known I probably never would have connected it without an iso transformer) I found this to be unacceptable. Actually, if they had just used a single TRS jack instead of the dual 1/4 inch jacks that might have prevented the problem as well.... and even cost less...

2. It can't take midi. No matter how much or how little I sent it, sooner or later the thing would crash and corrupt it's entire patch memory. I found I had to reset and reload the thing waayy too many times. Glad I never tried it in a live setting.

3. Flimsy construction -- Actually it's not quite that bad, unless you have to take it apart. I did, because they were supposed to send me a new Sid chip that my dealer never received. If they had sent it, they would have had to send me a new set of larger self tapping screws, since the soft aluminum will only hold those things snug the first time they are put in.

I know these complaints aren't specific to my unit because I've seen other former users online say the same, and I also got the same crashing problems out of a friend's SidStation (which he's left disused in the corner for some time and may soon hit the auction block)

I like the sid sound, but all in all that design seemed more like sid chip abuse to me. It does have it's good points such as the user interface and the wave sequencing feature, but when it's crashing every five minutes those points don't amount to much. There are other sid-based synths out there to look into, such as the MIDIbox SID or the HardSID and HardSID Quattro PC add on cards. I'd check those out first.

BTW like I said don't take this as a dissing of Elektron in general -- the stuff they came out with after the SS showed they had learned from their mistakes and are much better products, IMHO.

By csmealer Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:39 am
One of my friends has one. He's sitting on it cause it's going up in value ( :roll: ), but he never uses it b/c he thinks the interface sucks and it's pretty noisy. I would say it's probably not worth the $$$. I don't know if you're any good at DIY, but check this out:
http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_sid.html
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By elektrik_muz Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:53 am
The noise probably isn't Elektron's fault, unless it's their processing causing crosstalk with the audio. Kind of hard to tell since after all you're talking about the output of a SID chip. Not much way around noise with those things. Most people who are really into the SID probably consider that noise a "feature".

By csmealer Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:00 am
Yeah, it's just because it's a SID chip. I think my friend got it a few years ago when Elektron was still selling them for around $400, but the amount they're asking for one now is way too much. I dude would sell it to me for $400 :D a little bit of noise never bothered me.
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By elektrik_muz Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:06 am
That sounds like about what I paid for it back in the day. Personally with all the crashing I don't think it's worth even that. I don't think they ever upgraded the OS from the one I had back then. I don't know if the problem is in the software, it could have been the hardware as well.
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By rokuez Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:32 am
that noise is because of major aliasing

By Ldizzy Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:26 pm
I noticed the same sound in most of Loose productions.. timbaland owns one... and unless uve got the army of ingeneers he's got... considering ur posts.. it must be a helluva pain in the arse
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By elektrik_muz Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:58 pm
It is a pain in the arse, though you can use it as a studio-only sample source, just have to be prepared to reset and reload every time it dies and don't hook it up without a DI box or similar. Forget about live use unless it's just for show and you've got sampler to back it up (which is exactly what Elektron did for their "official" live demos as I remember -- one SidStation and a 2kXL. Who knows where the sound is really coming from? I'm sure they never would have attempted to use just straight midi sequencing with multiple SidStations for that kind of thing, I'm sure it would have been a disaster).

That MIDIbox SID looks way better though if you're really into that kind of thing.

By Ldizzy Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:10 am
i did good askin u guys ahaha yesterday i was about to buy one right out aha... so... whats better in the same array of sounds?

By Ldizzy Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:14 am
csmealer wrote:One of my friends has one. He's sitting on it cause it's going up in value ( :roll: ), but he never uses it b/c he thinks the interface sucks and it's pretty noisy. I would say it's probably not worth the $$$. I don't know if you're any good at DIY, but check this out:
http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_sid.html


Nobody wants to help me do this this summer.. i can travel and pay
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By King_Vitamin Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:19 am
Ldizzy wrote:Nobody wants to help me do this this summer.. i can travel and pay


If you mean for someone to build one for you, your out of luck, you'll have to get dirty I'm afraid.

I'm building one right now. It's not that hard and I'm not all that skilled in electronics. If you have any questions that aren't already answered on the midibox forum, or the wiki page, feel free to hit me up.

By briancares Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:24 pm
there is a vst plug in from refx called quadrasid.
sounds great. is cheap. full midi implementation.
no hardware stress. and you get 4 sidstations in one.

or check out this freebee: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1551.html