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By The Grublet Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:59 pm
OK... so Im gunna do this once, cause it seems like people never get this... If you are already doing it this way, then you are as cool as I am... If you own ensoniq and akai gear and are not doing it this way, you, my friend, are a tool.

note:
MPC: USE YOUR MIDI tracks instead of drum tracks.... realize that each corresponding midi track sends and recieves using "channels" of midi... if you don't know what a channel is, then eat books son.


PHYSICAL CONNECTIONS:

MIDI OUT 1 MPC TO MIDI IN ASR (EPS ETC)
MIDI IN 1 TO MIDI OUT ASR

***I use the extra in of my mpc to slave to protools. it is much better to have your ASR be a slave of your MPC, then have your MPC be controlling your ASR... for so many reasons... but primarily because the Ensoniq gear does not like to follow MIDI clock.***

ASR SETTINGS: ** MAKE SURE YOU SAVE GLOBAL PARAMATERS TO DISK AFTER SETTING THESE, SO IT WILL LOAD THIS WAY EACH TIME THE OS LOADS.**

1. EDIT INSTRUMENT>> a) make sure your midi base channel is 1, and you are transmitting on base channel. (by pressing right arrow til you see these)... b) MIDI IN MODE>> set to MULTI. (this means you will be using the ASR's instruments all at the same time (like a sound module).

2. Sample or load a sound into each instument (track).

3. EDIT TRACK>> now that you have loaded 8 instruments... press edit>track. scroll right. when you get to MULTI IN MIDI CHANNEL, set each corresponding track to its number... for example multi-in midi channel for track one would be set to 1.... and multi-in midi channel for track seven, should be set to 7.

4. EDIT INSTRUMENT>> double check that each instrument (as you click on them) has itself heading out MIDI out program 1 and out midi channel 1 (scroll rightto find midi out)

***MPC SETTINGS*** (I am using the xl for demonstration purposes, they all work this way)

note: you do not have to mess with your MIDI SYNC, DUMP, OR MIDIsw settings in shift midi.

1. MAIN SCREEN>> move cursor to highlight drum1... scroll to MIDI.. press open window.... IGNORE ALL SETTINGS.. press f2... (MONITR)... IF YOU FOLLOWED INSTRUCTIONS, YOU WILL SEE MIDI 1, channel 1 blinking when you play keys on your ASR.

2. MAIN SCREEN>> TO THE RIGHT OF YOUR MIDI TRACK... you will see: OFF.

a) highlight and roll data wheel one to the right so it says: 1A-device01. this will be controlling ASR track 1 (instrument 1) (RENAME TO ASR___01)

b) same step for A2-device02 > which will control track 2 (instrument 2)

c) repeat for devices A3-A8 corresponding to tracks 3-8 on ASR. Rename midi devices as well.


*****************NOW... YOUR PIMPED OUT!**************


BUT REALIZE.... THAT YOUR BUTTONS ARE CONTROLLING YOUR ASR, AND YOUR ASR IS CONTROLLING YOUR BUTTONS... so, if you have drums on your buttons, your ASR will play them, and vica virsa.

SSO
MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE RECORDING EACH DIFFERENT MIDI CHANNEL ON ITS OWN TRACK, AND THAT WHEN YOU DON'T WANT TO F*&% WITH THE ASR, YOU SWITCH BACK TO DRUM TRACKS this will make your ride a lot smoother.


ENJOY... my Holiday gift to you GEAR heads.

to the laptop hackers, please google "fake player- def."


PEACE. Happy Holidays. :mrgreen:
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By Lampdog Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:45 pm
clint246clint wrote:I recall a million inquiries from the same 2-3 people actually asking for this type of information in that thread.


laughingly fixed.
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By nod records Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:54 pm
Grub

I use an MPC 60 as the master and an ASR-10 as the slave. This is how I do it and it's way easier than you explained.


1. Hook up the midi cables
midi out of MPC to midi in of ASR
midi in of MPC to midi out of ASR

2. On ASR hit Edit then System-Midi
scroll to Midi in mode and change it from Omni to Multi

3. Load up instruments or sample some onto ASR

4. On MPC turn the Soft Midi Thru to Off
this prevents the phasing sound when you laying down your sequences

5. Midi tracks 1-8 on your MPC are instruments tracks 1-8 on your ASR. just check which midi inputs you have your ASR plugged into (A,B,C,D or 1,2 etc...)


Now you can sequence with your MPC and use sounds off of your ASR. it's that easy.

I also use my other MIDI in/outs on my MPC to slave to Pro Tools, so when i'm done the beat, i can track it out seperated to Pro Tools.

Hope that helps.

It a little easier than Grub explained. There is only 1 setting to set on the ASR and 1 setting to set on the MPC.


Pce
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By The Grublet Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:21 am
that only works if you already have your instruments set to 1-8 on the asr already. most people's OS wont have that set already.

I was step by step in my explaination because lots of people dont understand their ASR's midi functions. the mpc side is always pretty straight forward.

my goal was to have people save their globals on the asr to their OS after setting it.

and naming your midi sends on the MPC is also great for functionality.

but yeah. that 60 was nice when I had it around... 4 outs... but I use an 8x8 midiman now, so the only thing that is directly slaved to the mpc xl is the asr.
EDIT::
................Slave was mis-spoken... I meant to say "controlled by" slaved implys that the ASR is following your clock speed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

PEace
Last edited by The Grublet on Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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By ion Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:13 pm
great Thread!!! i didnt find this by myself :oops:


its exactly what i am trying to do (mpc 60+ASR10+Logic 8) Except the Logic thing....

nod records... do you actually mean it how you said, that you SLAVE the MPC to Protools ? or did it just sound like that?

because i want to slave Logic aswell as te ASR to the MPC, and the last Info that seems to be missing is that MTC MMC settings stuff

but maybe i am missinformed and that isnt even necesseray anymore with this method !?


thanks








@The Grublet


"BUT REALIZE.... THAT YOUR BUTTONS ARE CONTROLLING YOUR ASR, AND YOUR ASR IS CONTROLLING YOUR BUTTONS... so, if you have drums on your buttons, your ASR will play them, and vica virsa."


do you speak about unwillingly triggering the ASR with the MPC Pads and the MPC sounds with the ASR Keys?

that would be a pain... however i turned off that "sending Drum Trigger something" function in the 60 MIDI Edits, so now i am NOT triggering the ASR sounds...
I hope turning that function off isnt changing how this whole setup works


cant wait to have all that annoying techy stuff off my head :mrgreen:
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By i need a mpc Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:00 am
nod records wrote:Grub

I use an MPC 60 as the master and an ASR-10 as the slave. This is how I do it and it's way easier than you explained.


1. Hook up the midi cables
midi out of MPC to midi in of ASR
midi in of MPC to midi out of ASR

2. On ASR hit Edit then System-Midi
scroll to Midi in mode and change it from Omni to Multi

3. Load up instruments or sample some onto ASR

4. On MPC turn the Soft Midi Thru to Off
this prevents the phasing sound when you laying down your sequences

5. Midi tracks 1-8 on your MPC are instruments tracks 1-8 on your ASR. just check which midi inputs you have your ASR plugged into (A,B,C,D or 1,2 etc...)


Now you can sequence with your MPC and use sounds off of your ASR. it's that easy.

I also use my other MIDI in/outs on my MPC to slave to Pro Tools, so when i'm done the beat, i can track it out seperated to Pro Tools.

Hope that helps.

It a little easier than Grub explained. There is only 1 setting to set on the ASR and 1 setting to set on the MPC.


Pce


great way to put it this is exactly how i do it with my asr10 and xl and works great, also yes turning off the midi soft thru takes away the phasing sound! so ya make sure to do that
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By ion Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:15 am
could you guys help me out please


i ve set up the MPC and the ASR as explained here
what i have now is, that pressing rec. on the ASR 10 gets in the waiting position and than pressing play on the MPC starts the ASR Sequencer... but i hear the ASR Click not the MPC one + the MPC Tempo is set to EXERNAL and i can not change it anymore for some reason :/

i still get the feeling that i am trying wrong... or is it right to record sequences in the ASR at all?


damn :roll:


it also says "extern sync" on the bottom of the Main screen.... i figure thats also not how it whould be, but i ve set it all up like explained ...



here are all the MPC settings that i think have sth to do with this application more or less

maybe the error is somewhere here:

TEMPO/SYNC window :
Tempo Source select: Master
Sync Screen:
Mode: MIDI CLOCK
MIDI IN: 1
SYNC Output Settings:
MODE: FSK24 (only that and that Pulse are available)
MIDI CLOCK: OUT1

MIDI WINDOW:
(1) Midi Input Filter
EVENTS: Notes
Pass events: YES
MIDI SOFT THRU: OFF
DEFAULT CH.: 1A
(2) Drum data sent out: NONE
MIDI Drums chan: 1
(3) (trigger interface) probably not important at all.
MIDI IN: 1 OUT: 1 UNIT: 1 UNIT CH. 1


MAIN SCREEN:
Tmpo: (EXT) BPM (i cant change it for some reason)
ch: 1A DRUMS
ch: (off)

(EXTERN SYNC) (not modifiable letters on the bottm of the screen)

on the ASR the TEMPO: is at EXTERN

so both units seem to think they get extern Sync... and i get some weird shitty 30 BPM timing i think... and i cant change it


maybe someone sees in here what my problem is?
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By ion Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:06 pm
ok

The Grublet said that i dont have to mess with the MPC sync parameters etc.... so i restarted


but i cant go from there as the instructions for all the MPC steps are completle different from the MPC 60 (until now still OS 2)

so, nod records / i need a mpc

i would greatly apreciate if someone can chime in and help me wit dis shyt
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By The Grublet Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:42 pm
SHYT.

WHERES LAMP DAWGGGGG WITH THE CUNNING BUT ALWAYS CLEVER: READ YOUR MANUAL... hes like the MPC forums principal that everybody pretends to like but seceretly wants to PUNCH IN THE FACE FOR COMMENTING ON EVERY THREAD!!!!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

(this is his method of saying "well I really don't have any idea, but I want to try to sound smart and condesending at the same time"--- just in case you all didn't know)





ION...

the theory behind having your ASR, or keyboard slave to only your mp via the direct (in>out, out>in) method is to lessen confusion.

the asr does not slave to DAW's well (in my experience with it).. the internal processors on the asr are more concerned with what the audio is doing, than what speed the machine starts to play at (meaning that it always misses the first notes, and strugles to maintain a steady sync...

as to your question, heres how your slave/ master SHOULD look

MPC has the ASR directly slaved as a "sound module" capable of playing 8 polyphonic sounds at the same time.... your MPC is recording all the "notes" or MIDI data.
... therefore, you should never hear the tick off on your asr, if it starts to tick, then you are not set up right.... the only thing you should have to do is pressrecord+playstart on the MPC, and this means the MPC is now recording all of the MIDI data via MIDI tracks.


COOL:?

next: your DAW (logic, PT, Whatever), generates its own Time Code... via midi clock.


This is basically saying to your gear: yo. MP, we both know how to roll at 89.5 BPM right? well let me lead!.

to dance (or sync) you have to have a leader... so setting your DAW to generate Time Code, for your MP to listen to, and follow, will get the previously mentioned MIDI notes you programmed via MP midi tracks to play at your DAW's speed///

Get it...?


1. DAW tells the MP to start (so you are actually pressing record/play on your computer)

2. The MPC starts (because it is set to recieve time code from your DAW)...

3. The MPC follows (because you have your DAW session at the same BPM as the MPC, and your MPC is set to recieve midi clock IN 1, or 2)...

The ASR plays, because it is a hardware sound module assigned to various midi channels (programmed midi notes on your MP)....


SO... you never have to f with the ASR's sloppy and cumbersome sequencer... you just have to get gangster with the MIDI.



:idea:
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By Lampdog Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:54 pm
The Grublet wrote:SHYT.

WHERES LAMP DAWGGGGG WITH THE CUNNING BUT ALWAYS CLEVER: READ YOUR MANUAL... hes like the MPC forums principal that everybody pretends to like but seceretly wants to PUNCH IN THE FACE FOR COMMENTING ON EVERY THREAD!!!!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

(this is his method of saying "well I really don't have any idea, but I want to try to sound smart and condesending at the same time"--- just in case you all didn't know)


:?

lmmfao

I have no idea, ur gravely mistaken.
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By ion Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:57 pm
The Grublet wrote:SHYT.

WHERES LAMP DAWGGGGG WITH THE CUNNING BUT ALWAYS CLEVER: READ YOUR MANUAL... hes like the MPC forums principal that everybody pretends to like but seceretly wants to PUNCH IN THE FACE FOR COMMENTING ON EVERY THREAD!!!!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

(this is his method of saying "well I really don't have any idea, but I want to try to sound smart and condesending at the same time"--- just in case you all didn't know)


:mrgreen:





The Grublet wrote:the theory behind having your ASR, or keyboard slave to only your mp via the direct (in>out, out>in) method is to lessen confusion.

the asr does not slave to DAW's well (in my experience with it).. the internal processors on the asr are more concerned with what the audio is doing, than what speed the machine starts to play at (meaning that it always misses the first notes, and strugles to maintain a steady sync...

as to your question, heres how your slave/ master SHOULD look

MPC has the ASR directly slaved as a "sound module" capable of playing 8 polyphonic sounds at the same time.... your MPC is recording all the "notes" or MIDI data.
... therefore, you should never hear the tick off on your asr, if it starts to tick, then you are not set up right.... the only thing you should have to do is pressrecord+playstart on the MPC, and this means the MPC is now recording all of the MIDI data via MIDI tracks.


COOL:?




yes, BUT that ASR Click was only (why i dont know) becuase i had the REC on the ASR pressed, and the ASR wasnt setup right by that time.... however NOW according to my knoweldge from this aswell as that: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=124137&p=1142126#p1142126
thread i am set up as i should....


i ll leave the DAW for later when i have the ASR and MP finaly going together :|

basicaly i really have everything setup as you guys told me, the ASR is completly set up to your instructions and saved as Global Parameters... all 8 Tracks are loaded

in the MPC (60) in the Snyc Screen
Sync Mode is set: OFF
Midi clock: 1

everythign is set to Midi Out1 / 1A Midi IN 1 etc etc

cables are for now only ASR out-MPC IN 1 /ASR IN-MPC OUT1


it should allready work... but its freaking does not... i am going mad here... :evil:







The Grublet wrote:next: your DAW (logic, PT, Whatever), generates its own Time Code... via midi clock.


This is basically saying to your gear: yo. MP, we both know how to roll at 89.5 BPM right? well let me lead!.

to dance (or sync) you have to have a leader... so setting your DAW to generate Time Code, for your MP to listen to, and follow, will get the previously mentioned MIDI notes you programmed via MP midi tracks to play at your DAW's speed///

Get it...?


1. DAW tells the MP to start (so you are actually pressing record/play on your computer)

2. The MPC starts (because it is set to recieve time code from your DAW)...

3. The MPC follows (because you have your DAW session at the same BPM as the MPC, and your MPC is set to recieve midi clock IN 1, or 2)...

The ASR plays, because it is a hardware sound module assigned to various midi channels (programmed midi notes on your MP)....


SO... you never have to f with the ASR's sloppy and cumbersome sequencer... you just have to get gangster with the MIDI.



:idea:



i get what you are saying here but i had the understanding that i can use the MPC 60 as my absolute Master Sequencer, not slaved to LOGIC.... i dont know about the 2kXL Seuencer timimng, i its that unique... but man i want to keep the MPC 60 timimng 100% over Logic`s Clock!!!
thats the reason i got a 60 and not ANY MPC

:?
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