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By theStudent Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:48 am
>You need a midi interface for that, I have the midisport 1x1.[/quote]

Okay, I've got a question about this. I'm also new to the world of midi... I took a look at a similar midisport device on web, and the only ins/outs are midi plugs. What's the point of the 1/4" (?) outs on the MPC if the midi interface doesn't have compatible ins? Am I missing something?

I also want to record via computer without doing one track at a time and I wanna make sure I understand everything.
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By Phatz Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:17 am
The 1/4" outs are so you can hear the sounds.......midi doesnot produce sounds only notes.....what are you trying to hook up midi to the mpc????
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By theStudent Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:27 am
Phatz wrote:The 1/4" outs are so you can hear the sounds.......midi doesnot produce sounds only notes.....what are you trying to hook up midi to the mpc????


Mooney's post made it sound like this midi interface was the way to record 8 tracks simultaneously to a computer via the 8 outs. However, the interfaces I checked out don't seem to have the 1/4" ins required to connect the MPCs outs.

If you've got the time, maybe you should school me on midi, in general, cuz I haven't those capabilites at all. I'm just trying to find the best way to record tracks to my computer without having to do it one at a time. And I've got an imac, so an 8-in sound card won't work for me.
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By Phatz Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:36 am
first school me on your whole set up????
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By theStudent Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:17 pm
Phatz wrote:first school me on your whole set up????


It's not much of a setup. I've got the 2000xl (no outs yet), an imac, and an inexpensive Yamaha keyboard.

Before I got the mac, I was recording my MPC drum tracks one at a time to magix music studio on the pc. It was alright, but time-consuming and kinda difficult getting each track to match up time-wise (remember, I don't know how to use midi).

Now I'm searching for some good sequencer software for the mac- nothing super serious, just what would allow me to do what I was doing on the pc. However, I'm also trying to find out how to use the MPC's 8 outs so that I wouldn't have to record a track at a time. Devices like the digi002 are more than I care to spend and an 8-in sound card on the imac is not an option.
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By Phatz Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:33 pm
right now you have 4 outs......if you up it to the 8 outs then youd be at 10 outs.......There are sound cars that will let you import more tracks at once.......the delta 410 which is like 99.99 would be good now because it has 4 imputs and 10 outputs......but if u up grade to the 8 outs you would need the delta 1010 which is like 279.99 and has 10 imputs and 10 outputs......you could also cut some time by doing the left and right with two tracks at once......assign 1 track all the way to the left and the 2 track all the way right.......this way you could send 2 tracks at once.......do you have a manual? Its not the best but it is helpful at times...........all you have to do is keep posting and we will keep helping you



Phatz
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By trupro Thu Jan 15, 2004 8:19 pm
The midi also comes into play when locking the MPC to your DAW/ computer recording software, so that each time you do a pass, it's starting the MPC at exaxtly the right time. That way, you have the computer as the master, and you can do pass after pass of 8 outs, or two outs, or whatever you want. This is the only way to fly..
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By theStudent Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:12 am
Okay, well I guess the question now is how do the 8 outs interact with the midi and the midi with the computer? Break it down for me... the 8 outs from the MP go to the ( ), and the ( ) goes to the... Point A is the MPC and point B are the tracks on my sequencing software (whatever that ends up being).

By the way, I just wanna thank you all for taking the time to help me out. This must seem so basic to you all. I appreciate it.
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By DOVESKI Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:39 am
8 outs dont interact with the computer its strictly audio.

8 outs>mixer's 8 ins>mixer's 4 subgroup send>4 ins on computer in box (Digi001 has six ins at once for instance).

I'm doing shit all in song mode now, cause i found breaking down my songs by bars in ProTools was **** up the flow of my music (its not just in my mind, its truth).

so there you have it, 4 tracks get recorded before the MC drops his lyrics. im grouping my tracks by dynamics.
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By trupro Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:37 pm
Yeah, the midi messages that flow through the midi cables are strictly commands twlling the sequencer in the MPC to record you hitting the pads, triggering the internal samples, or playing keys on an external synth, whatever. The messeges are recorded, and when played back, trigger the device of your choice, the internal sampler, or external sound source, whatever you selected. With protools, I set the midi to come out the Digi 001, and start the MPC, if you don't have a particular sound card or recording device yet, It's difficult to give you the exact technique, because the screens will be different in that daw program, so I don't know. Lets put it this way: In the MPC shift+midi sync, that screen, has a field at top right, that lets you choose midi in 1 or 2, or smpte analog in, for recieving timecode. Once that's active, and you push play/ start or play in song mode or main mode, it's gonna wait for timecode from the 'master' device, in my case, protools. If you want exact instructions for syncing to protools, just say so and I will paste my post from a couple months ago. Other [programs and hard disk recorders go by the exact same protocall: sending midi timecode out of them to start and constanly update the external sequencer, refered to as the 'slave'. Pharoe, let my people go.

Doveski, I feel you. When you have a 4 bar loop or whatever, then lace it to protools, if you have sounds that overlap the loop point, they will be cut off. With midi, obviously, they will sustain, but once the outputs record the actual audio, the loop is going to cut off. What I do is, for example, say I got a beat that has a main 4 bar section. I check out what needs to sustain and overlap, and what is just a clean loop. Usually all drums are looping fine, but I may have a synthline that needs to carry over on the wraparound. So, I set the record in protools by highlighting the four bars, leaving the PreRoll on one bar. So, I highlight from bar 2-6, making 4 bars. In song mode, I make a blank one bar seq and insert it as the first step, tom match my preroll and give it a bar to lock up the sync. I know you know all this probly, but just in case. Anyway, I actually put two steps of that main sequence in that song mode, and highlight FIVE bars in protools, so I have an extra bar in the seq. Then I cut and loop as normal in PT, but after my main arrangement, I just pull out the end of the sounds that don't loop right. I pull the end out al little with the staple tool, make a crossfade if needed, then consolidate that whole region for the length of the song when Im satsfied, locking in those odd cuts (obviously doing it in slip mode). I know it's tedious, but it's better to me cus I have total control over each track once it's all tracked. And if you set the BPMs the same, the grid should be tight. I know for a fact that you will get a different shuffle from protools than from the MPC, so I agree, it sounds different,but only if I arrange in PT to a grid and have repeating sounds. THen, you can hear the difference in the shuffle from machine to machine. However, I only grid new sounds to the already the beat when I can pull it off. If not, I got the mpc synced up, and can just sequence more ish with the mpc sequencer, then track it in. Protools 6 is sick for making beats, cus it auto time stretches to the bpm grid. You could track from the mpc, then pull in samples from anywhere, and they snap to grid, and auto flux to fit, without changing pitch. That's what I mean when I'm on that, 'best of both worlds' ish. Right now, I use PT 5.2 32 track, and timestretch with serrato pitch'n'time for timestretching, but I'ma bout to hop on 6 in a minute.
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