For discussion about setting up your studio and advice on the gear and equipment within it.
By vtaulu Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:52 am
Ok... I building a home studio, but I am new to all of this. Here's what I have so far (no idea how to hook it all up LOL)

Many pieces were given to me...
1. MPC 2500
2. iMac
3. Logic 8 (some one told me that pro tools would work better with my MPC)
4. M Audio Midi Controller
5. Mic
6. Additional keyboard (my son used to use it)
7. Beringer mixer... (do I need this)

Please help! I need to know what I need and what I don't need. A friend of mine told me that I needed a audio interface, so please recommend one that is compatible with Mac.

And how do I hook all this up?
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By b.read Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:56 am
Question: What cables do you have?
By vtaulu Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:07 am
I have some RCA cables and I have a few midi cables. I also have a midi-usb cable that a guy said I should connect to iMac and MPC and I should be able to transfer drum loops I create on MPC to Logic (haven't been successful with that).
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By b.read Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:24 am
Well, the rca's aren't going to be much help at all...your friend is right, you'll also need some sort of an audio interface if you plan on using a DAW like logic or PT. Are you sticking with Logic or getting Pro Tools instead?

You can still get busy with just the mpc, if you have some headphones or speakers...you can create and mix in the box there.

Ultimately, I think it'd be a wise idea to go to a local music store and tell them what you have and have them set you up with what you need...
By beach_break Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:51 am
this is great site for getting your head around producing using/making a studio
http://www.tweakheadz.com/rigs.htm

logic is great on the mac. no need to get another DAW.

is the mixer a dj mixer or studio mixer?

until you get (or instead of) an audio interface -- you can resample the beats you make on the mpc to create, say a four bar wav file, and then transfer them via usb to logic for more arranging etc.
see the manual for details.
By vtaulu Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:44 pm
beach_break wrote:this is great site for getting your head around producing using/making a studio
http://www.tweakheadz.com/rigs.htm

logic is great on the mac. no need to get another DAW.

is the mixer a dj mixer or studio mixer?

until you get (or instead of) an audio interface -- you can resample the beats you make on the mpc to create, say a four bar wav file, and then transfer them via usb to logic for more arranging etc.
see the manual for details.



Thanks for the tip... what audio interface do you recommend?
By beach_break Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:44 pm
i recommend not getting an audio interface. i don't use one.
like i said, resample your tracks and drag and drop into your DAW.
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By ArKyve-31 Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:03 am
beach_break wrote:i recommend not getting an audio interface. i don't use one.
like i said, resample your tracks and drag and drop into your DAW.


:shock: :lol:

Get an audio interface, preferably one with midi connections so you can midi the mpc up to logic, You're gonna need an interface if you intend on using the mic and keyboard. Plus with an interface its much easier, and better sounding to track the mpc out to it.
By Clint Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:40 am
beach_break wrote:i recommend not getting an audio interface. i don't use one.


That's like saying 'dont wipe your arse, because I don't'.

If you're trying to create a home studio you NEED AN AUDIO INTERFACE.

Seriously.
By beach_break Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:11 am
ArKyve-31 wrote:
beach_break wrote:i recommend not getting an audio interface. i don't use one.
like i said, resample your tracks and drag and drop into your DAW.


:shock: :lol:

Get an audio interface, preferably one with midi connections so you can midi the mpc up to logic, You're gonna need an interface if you intend on using the mic and keyboard. Plus with an interface its much easier, and better sounding to track the mpc out to it.


for midi connection, get a midi to usb cord - $10.
for tracking out beats, no need for an interface.
for recording mic and keyboards - record into the mpc (either by sampling or as audio tracks). no interface necessary.

of course both the 2500 and your imac have digital audio i/outs. so you can track beats without using drag and drop.

if you use an interface, then it will be worse sounding - why, your sound has to go through two sets of converters - from digital to analogue to digital again.

easier? nothing is easier than drag and drop. no synching, time codes etc.
Last edited by beach_break on Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:54 am, edited 1 time in total.
By beach_break Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:15 am
no you don't ... said in really, really big, screaming caps. he can get one if he wants to waste money. but with his set up, there is absolutely no need at all. just adds extra gear and comlpications that he doesn't need... again, in really big, really angry and really ignorant caps.
maybe you should learn how to use the resample feature on your mpc instead of playing with your caps lock.
clint246clint wrote:....

If you're trying to create a home studio you NEED AN AUDIO INTERFACE.

Seriously.
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By Metatron72 Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:33 am
beach_break wrote:no you don't ... said in really, really big, screaming caps. he can get one if he wants to waste money. but with his set up, there is absolutely no need at all. just adds extra gear and comlpications that he doesn't need... again, in really big, really angry and really ignorant caps.
maybe you should learn how to use the resample feature on your mpc instead of playing with your caps lock.
clint246clint wrote:....

If you're trying to create a home studio you NEED AN AUDIO INTERFACE.

Seriously.


Just for full disclosure for vtaula, it should be mentioned what he'd miss without an interface. Lower latency control of Audio Unit and VST instruments, higher track counts, improved clarity and fidelity of the final output from the DAW, and in most cases pre-amps. (could use the Behringer..but :roll: )

If none of that matters, than yeah the interface-less setup could work. There's always S/PDIF and ADAT if an extra A/D stage is a concern using an interface.
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By cyrus Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:04 am
whats the point in buying an audio interface if he doesn't even know how to use any of the gear?

if anything, the only thing you'd really need are headphones (or speakers). plug em into your computer, figure out logic and how to hook up the midi controller and produce sounds with logic. plug the headphones into your mpc, figure out how to use the mpc. once you get past the basics, then start worrying about purchasing more gear.

yes, folks are right, eventually you will need an audio interface.....but immediately? i'd say no, unless you're a rapper and want to record vocals and learn that right away, or you are already banging out beats and want to take them to the next level.

as beach mentioned, with the mpc, you don't need one, there are ways to not need interface. with logic, everything is inside the computer/daw so you'd only need an interface if you are recording vocals or gear that can't be transfered digitally.

1.you have enough to get started.
2. you may not like any of it so don't waste time investing money until you know more.
3.read the manual, scour youtube for tutorials. get the basics of things first. learn what you already have.

this is just my 2 cents....not trying to be too blunt about it all, but believe me, you got more than alot of folks do! and alot of those folks make some banging shit with less.

plus, until you know what you have and how to use it, there is no sense in dropping any money; you might change your mind, change your direction, or whatever.....plus the more you know about your gear, how to use it, the easier it will be later to choose a quality audio interface.

why did your friend get rid of his gear???

is he a good resource to learn from? ask your friend alot of questions, he might have enough knowledge to really get you banging out some beats. Focus on learning, and dont give up!





okay: not to make this post huge.....but here is where i would start:

you already have some good gear so decide what your focus is and where you want to start learning. do you wan't to make beats? or are you a vocalist who wants to record vocals and make beats second? or a musician who wants to play ontop of some beats?

read that tweakheadz link given above. learn terminology and what things are for, this will help you put the whole picture together of what you need to do.

If making beats is your primary focus, I'd start by learning about the mpc and decide if you like it. there is plenty of knowledge in this forum and on youtube. focus on that. if eventually you'd like to use logic to make beats, or incorporate both into your setup...learning from scratch on the mpc first I think will have a more rewarding impact on your beats. once you get a solid grasp on that, then id move onto the other gear.

if you want to focus on recording vocals and dabble with beats....i'd start with logic and focus on topics like "recording, mixing with logic pro".

regardless of style of music, you always gonna need some banging drums, and some tutorials to get you started.check out mpc-samples.com for some good mpc tutorials and drum sounds. search the web for free drum kits to put into your mpc.

search for obvious terms like "recording rap vocals logic pro" or "making beats mpc2500". hang around this forum, search and read alot, and don't be afraid to ask stupid questions!

some useful sites:

futureproducers.com
gearslutz.com
http://tweakheadz.com/
mpc-samples.com
http://studio-central.com/phpbb/index.php
http://www.youtube.com/user/supreme7g
http://www.youtube.com/user/BlackTuezday

pm me i can hook you up with some drums.


peace
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By buddy maxwell Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:36 pm
Big co-sign on cyrus' post.

It's not a popular or flashy answer, but learn the mpc first. If you like producing on it after a while, you will know what cables/equipment you will need by knowing what you want to do...

Like the cables and connections and interface(or not) will all depend on what you are trying to do, what your workflow consists of, and what machines you are using for which purpose. 2 different people with the exact same equipment list may use totally different cables and work totally differently on the same machines. There is more than one correct answer to your question - so it all depends on YOU.

Check those links cyrus put up, lots of good info there...

But I say start with the mpc - by itself. You will be able to make complete beats with it and if you like it you can incorporate other things with it. If you don't like it, you can try something else (and depending on what you get, it will help you know what you need)
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By b.read Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:19 am
cyrus wrote:okay: not to make this post huge.....but here is where i would start:




:lol:


Sorry, but that was pretty funny to read in the middle of that... :D