Korg Kronos Keyboard Workstation: Just bought a new toy!

how did this turn into the kronos asr-10 thread? there's no comparison. the kronos is the ipad of synth's right now!

mp3 wrote:What would be great is if you could apply those resynthesis techniques to your own samples. Oh wait, you already can... Its called Roland VP-9000 and V-Synth, Camel Audio Alchemy, Celemony Melodyne, and Redmatica Keymap Pro.

Seems the game was changed quite some time ago...

Well, since it's been done already, lets say korg is making their stance at it and it's on another level.

Nobody else's resynthesis technology does what this does and if so, who?

Because all of the boards previous to this got close, but not close enough. That's why a lot of them are being sold second hand, being used sparingly, or not being used at all.

It's all about the fine nuances and not the general at hand here.

dabmeister wrote:Well, since it's been done already, lets say korg is making their stance at it and it's on another level.

Another level? Well I don't know, I haven't tried it and compared it. Neither have you. But anyway, something else will come along and do it better soon enough.

dabmeister wrote:Nobody else's resynthesis technology does what this does and if so, who?

Roland's ARX. With Kronos you can only apply harmonic resynthesis to EPs. With ARX you can apply it to EPs, drums and brass. With Kronos you get a much larger set of EP samples to work and you get more in depth editing of the EP sound than you do with Roland's ARX. So each one has its advantages.

You could also flip it around and say that Kronos doesn't do what the others do (for example Alchemy or Melodyne or the V-Synth or the Roland ARX drum card)... Not that there's a point to any of it... Its simply another implementation of existing technology. Not a 'game changer' at all...

dabmeister wrote:Because all of the boards previous to this got close, but not close enough. That's why a lot of them are being sold second hand, being used sparingly, or not being used at all.

You understand that this is really saying nothing, right?

dabmeister wrote:It's all about the fine nuances and not the general at hand here.

Right, and that's my point. Nothing new, technologically speaking. Just a new implementation of existing technology. And its not even really new (Roland's ARX is essentially the same thing). And, soon enough, it will get topped.

I'm not knocking Kronos at all. From the specs it looks to be a beast. If I was in the market for a top of the line workstation, this would be at the top of my list (well except for the fact that I don't care for the korg sound). Its just that all the 'game changer' talk is hype and to see people get sucked in (especially since they haven't even touched the thing) is just hillarious.

The most interesting thing to me is the Virtual Memory Technology. Its not new either, but its a great implementation of the technology... Now that feature is head and shoulders above everything available... Electric Piano Resynthesis? Not so much.

^^^ And that's the case in point. I currently have/use most of these workstations, ie: kurz k2500rs (vast), roland jv/xv expansions, korg triton, yamaha motif es, & asr10 (though it was a game changer in its heyday). And after a while, they get stale no matter how often you augment the sounds.

The steps to altering the synthesis to each one of those seems cumbersome compared to how it was displayed through the vid on the kronos.

And yeah, it may me marketing hype now, but wait just a lil longer and katz will more than likely be on this joint in no time.

It's the sound engine & effects that I'm interested in knowing more about.

mp3 wrote:Just a new implementation of existing technology.

More accurately..Kronos is the culmination and integration of existing technology making it the pinnacle of all keyboard music production workstations. If this is not the next level, what is?

Let's see:
1. Roland Fantom G/ARX expansion boards. Roland created 3 boards of the ARX series after 3 years (when installed in the Fantom, gives you 1 part). These $400 (cost nearly 2x as much as their previous expansion boards) drum, piano, and brass boards was met with a resounding...yawn. Thus no more boards. The previous series SRX had 12 boards. The JV series had 21 boards. As a current Fantom G owner, I was so excited about the possibilities based upon Roland's previous history of a full collection of boards. Bottom line...fully expanding my Fantom G6 would have cost me around $3400 when it was released.

2. VP-9000. Simply gives you the variphrase technology which is now integrated in most of Roland's highend products. When it came out, it cost over $2000 and it wasn't even a workstation. I believed I purchased an MPC 3000 and MPC 2000XL back then and never looked back. The VP-9000 was one of those great ideas that should have been made into a dedicate module. A few years later, you could pick this thing up for $100-$200.

3. V-Synth. Great idea..nice synth..but not a complete workstation...and cost $2000-$3000 when released. This is also based off of variphrase technology.

4. Software. There are numerous sofsamplers on the market that have the capabilities to accomplish what the Kronos does. But you lost the battle even mentioning software in a hardware thread. Kronos is taking some of what we have in software synths/samplers and packing it into a a hardware workstation. We need more of this because I will never simply use software and a cheap 3rd party MIDI controller.

The GUI in the Kronos is apparently almost identical to the Oasys, but with a few additional images of instruments and a slightly improved sample manager.

The sequencer in particular doesn't look as good as it should be.


http://www.karma-lab.com/oasys/gui/main.html

Askia Shaheed wrote:...you lost the battle...

Huh? Battle? Ok so go buy your $3000 culmination and integration of a next level game changing linux computer then. I hope it helps you finally make some music

mp3 wrote:

Askia Shaheed wrote:...you lost the battle...

Huh? Battle? Ok so go buy your $3000 culmination and integration of a next level game changing linux computer then. I hope it helps you finally make some music

Make music? For what? I will buy it and won't even take it out the box...then talk about how great it is across the forums...just to get a rise out of you and those that love their Windows PC workstations (and refuse to post the actual specs of their amazing word processors).

Anyway, the discussion was about harmonic resynthesis. So.... yeah.... nothing new.

So passionate about not needing/wanting Kronos...spending a lot of time in this thread away from your PC workstations.

Start saving your pennies so you can join the club.

I take it you don't have a mirror...

it aint got no grillz and they didnt spell kornos with a z. fcck it, i aint buying it!

yo jahrome..... rumor is that Sweetwater will have some IN STOCK as early as next week!
mine is already pre ordered...... cant wait!
go over to the korg forums

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... c&start=30

Sweetwater jumped the gun. Their site initially said they would have it in a few days but now it says that will have it in a few months but because they have a good relationship with Korg, they will receive their units as fast as anyone.

Since I believe Korg products are still made in Japan...I am hoping I can get one early. Its not being advertised on any Japanese online sites but I check every day.