Are the kangs and roger stalling the market?

I see that you really didn't understand when I said:

It works just LIKE standalone hardware. Notice how I never said that it WAS standalone hardware.

Sovereign wrote:-It requires that you have a computer
-It requires that you have the computer turned on
-it requires the software to work
-It is only manipulating the propeties of said software
Just those facts alone means it's it's lost the real advantage of standalone hardware...........the ability to standalone.

No, you really are not understanding what I've been saying. The real advantage of standalone hardware is the workflow that comes with having dedicated hardware and the tactile hands-on control for immediacy and efficiency.

Sovereign wrote:What you have is called controller, computer and software alone.

Wrong again. It's a common mistake made by those not familiar with Maschine. A computer software + generic midi controller setup will NEVER come close to the experience you get with Maschine or standalone hardware.

emptysea wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:yeah, minus the stand alone part..

It works just LIKE standalone hardware. Notice how I never said that it WAS standalone hardware. Just because it needs to be attached to a computer via usb doesn't make its workflow any less efficient or hands-on.

Actually you did say it was a hardware drum machine in another of your threads.you really believe it. enjoi

peeps saying it dont have standalone work flow cos it requires usb to a pc is like saying mpc aint standalone cos it need connecting to a power plug.



so if u want true stand alone cop a beat thang when it drops

Will someone PLEASE tell the Maschine poster child that as long as you have to use it in conjunction with a computer it will never appeal to those who like standalone hardware.

For some reason he just can't seem to comprehend that major point.

He's trying to sell it as a MPC replacement or killer but that's only a viable point for people who is using or have a desire to use a computer.

If I am tied to a computer that has not being surgically implanted within my body then I am not standalone.
I can turn on any of my workstations where ever there is an electrical outlet and even some where there isn't.
Until Maschine can do this it isn't standalone it is just a PHYSICAL CONTROLLER for a software application.

We are glad you are happy with your new computer application with a hardware interface but you have posted this same nonesense in far too many threads recently trying to make it something it's not.
It's not that people don't understand Maschine, it's more like you don't because you keep trying to dimiss the fact that it can not exist without the computer.
That's something that many MPC users still desire.


emptysea's Maschine Wars

Others see the problem as well

jpeg wrote:peeps saying it dont have standalone work flow cos it requires usb to a pc is like saying mpc aint standalone cos it need connecting to a power plug.



so if u want true stand alone cop a beat thang when it drops

Pure nonsense.

as mentioned u can turn the pc monitor off and work off the mashine in the same way u work on an mp the pc/laptop is just a method of drawing power in that respect in addition to providing a source of sounds.

so the feel/workflow of working with hardware is obtained if the laptop lid or monitor is off.


so yeah its nonsense to assume the mpc workflow is not achievable with the maschine

jpeg wrote:so yeah its nonsense to assume the mpc workflow is not achievable with the maschine

Tell me about it. Funny how some of these cats are so intent on something being "true standalone" as if that would make their music sound better. What has made hardware machine more desirable compared to computer setups traditionally has been the dedicated hardware with tactile immediacy and the efficient workflow that comes with it. That's what makes hardware so great and Maschine has that.

so it's "standalone hardware" if you TURN YOUR COMPUTER MONITOR OFF!!?? i'm sorry but that's a hilarious statement.

emptysea wrote:I see that you really didn't understand when I said:

It works just LIKE standalone hardware. Notice how I never said that it WAS standalone hardware.

Sovereign wrote:-It requires that you have a computer
-It requires that you have the computer turned on
-it requires the software to work
-It is only manipulating the propeties of said software
Just those facts alone means it's it's lost the real advantage of standalone hardware...........the ability to standalone.

No, you really are not understanding what I've been saying. The real advantage of standalone hardware is the workflow that comes with having dedicated hardware and the tactile hands-on control for immediacy and efficiency.

Sovereign wrote:What you have is called controller, computer and software alone.

Wrong again. It's a common mistake made by those not familiar with Maschine. A computer software + generic midi controller setup will NEVER come close to the experience you get with Maschine or standalone hardware.

dude, I dont think it's bad... but that is not the point. you are trying to make it seem like it is something it isn't.

you aren't even looking at your whole setup.


you need a computer, a USB port and cable for the controller, and USB or firewire port for a soundcard or interface. so far that is 3 pieces of hardware VS 1 standalone unit. You hopefully have a computer that can run a good sound card with out fail or issues etc..

it may be great for production... I have wanted one since before it came out. However, for situation of performing live, what is honestly more trustworthy? There is a reason people like hardware. sometimes stability, reliability, and consistency win over features.

If I'm doing a show I dont feel like setting up a computer sound card controllers mixers and taking up a 4'x6' space on a table just to do what can be done with a 2'x2' spot and one single gator case.

it is great, but it aint standalone... and who cares if you dont need to look at a screen... one of the biggest features/selling points of the mpc4000 and mpc5000 is the BIGGER SCREEN. people just pretend to not want to look at a display.

crossings wrote:so it's "standalone hardware" if you TURN YOUR COMPUTER MONITOR OFF!!?? i'm sorry but that's a hilarious statement.

you can definitely do 90% of what u need on maschine with the monitor turned off.

LvngDead wrote:

crossings wrote:so it's "standalone hardware" if you TURN YOUR COMPUTER MONITOR OFF!!?? i'm sorry but that's a hilarious statement.

you can definitely do 90% of what u need on maschine with the monitor turned off.

the advantage of having a controller is because you can actually hit more than one note at a time. you can play what you are thinking instead of drawing it in... why would you not use the screen? the screen is an advantage. being able to tweak several params at the same time like for examle... filter and volume at the same time... you cant physically do that with a mouse. not looking at the screen doesn't mean anything when it boils down. that whole looking at the screen thing is just people nit picking. it's on a computer, you want the advantages of a computer...


but if you are starting from scratch, the maschine does cost more than say an mpc4000... the price of the maschine is the price of an mpc, the computer is double the price of an mpc, and a good soundcard can be triple the price of an mpc. cool part is you can do more with those things and utilize them with more things... computers have flexibility. but hardware has it's pluses also, and the people are going to use each thing in that way.

the fact that maschine's usb controller is made for the program... that is the advantage. not having to screw around with midi channels and midi CC setting, not having to play with control assignments... even though that takes 10 minutes in most cases some people dont want to deal with that. hell some people dont even know they can record line in on an mpc and they just want to buy premade drum sounds. fact is, not one product will work for every person. comparing the two is pointless.

i prefer the screen on a sp1200, lol.

mr_debauch wrote:you need a computer, a USB port and cable for the controller, and USB or firewire port for a soundcard or interface. so far that is 3 pieces of hardware VS 1 standalone unit. You hopefully have a computer that can run a good sound card with out fail or issues etc..

and don't forget the operating system and all the drivers for that hardware

mr_debauch wrote:but if you are starting from scratch, the maschine does cost less than say an mpc4000... the price of the maschine is the price of an mpc500,

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