LinnDrum II - Dave Smith & Roger Linn

I wouldn't buy this to replace my synth-I doubt the designers intended that either(not to say that you are suggesting it). Even if its great, you'd still wanna hook it up to a controller, unless you really, REALLY like playing pads, and lead lines on actual pads.

I wouldn't get this to replace my MPC either. No Way. Come to think of it, besides the fact that I'm blown away by its looks, I don't really feel like its that appealing-mostly cuz I fear the pads are not gonna be what MPC users have become accustomed too. If it's not gonna replace my synth, or my MPC, and CERTAINLY not my rack mount sampler, then it's just gonna be another wish-list piece once I've got 2 spare G's...IF the pads don't tremendously suck.

zeusmajor wrote:I don't really feel like its that appealing-mostly cuz I fear the pads are not gonna be what MPC users have become accustomed too.

Just curious why you think the pads are going to suck? This is the first I've heard of this fear. With Roger Linn and Dave Smith at the helm I can't imagine anything other than quality. My Evolver is built like a tank.

Also, isn't the 4 voice synth meant for analog drum synthesis? I'm thinking something to compete with the Jomox joints not replace your main synths.

I can't wait for it to come out. I might sell off some of my other stuff to make room for this.

it looks incredible. But its a luxury item that i definitely dont need in the slightest. So i wont be picking it up..[/i]

Murahachibu wrote:Just curious why you think the pads are going to suck?

No reason accept for the fact that they light up. I too am very excited for the upcoming release, but when I see light up pads, I think of the light up pads on my fantom which never, EVER get used.

zeusmajor wrote:No reason accept for the fact that they light up. I too am very excited for the upcoming release, but when I see light up pads, I think of the light up pads on my fantom which never, EVER get used.

Roger Linn designed the MPC. I don't think he'd put sorry pads on it.

Yes he did.
I popped open my 3KLE tried to shine a light thru the pads and, you guessed it...Nothin!
Of course I don't WANT the pads to suck a$$, I'm just saying that my experience with these types of dual functioning pads is that they are infact weak.

Roger Linn designed the MPC. I don't think he'd put sorry pads on it.

folks give linn more credit than is due. not belittling him, he put the project together, but people don't realize he didn't design every component.

laughably simple example - the mpc uses screws. linn didn't invent screws.
likewise linn didn't design the Force Sensing Resistor, which is the pressure sensor used in all MPCs excluding the scam that was the old mpc1000 pads.

the designer of the FSR would be Franklin Eventoff, formerly of Interlink Electronics, now of Sensitronics. smart dude, really nice from our brief conversation. Eventoff doesn't get his proper credit when it comes to the MPC.

i am willing to put dollars down that Eventoff's sensors are used in the new BoomSmith ichicki LinnDrum or w/e kids are playing about these days. i agree that lighted pads are historically NOT nice and expressive, like mpc pads, but again, i bet these will be velocity sensitive, durable and nice to play.

BUT unless the lightable pads add some sort of important functionality other than just glitter, they're just a way to drive that price way up and impress people who have grown up watching blinking television screens.

Antonym wrote:

laughably simple example - the mpc uses screws. linn didn't invent screws.

^that's not every accurate example. obviously dude is not gonna fabricate every single component of the machine and call it all his. When they are widely available and used on other devices

mixer fader was invented by Michael A. Zampini and Alan Flum mixers released by mackie, digi, yamaha and son...dont carry the fader inventors name on them or give credit to, do they?

engineer/inventor never is the same person that builds and fabricates his design from ground up all by hiself.

or all automobiles arent named after the first automobile/inventor

Franklin Eventoff doesnt get proper credit for mpc pads?, if not to him we wouldnt have pads at all, unless somebody else invented it. nowdays even roland fantom has FSR pads thanks to Franklins patent ofcourse.

Franklin Eventoff doesnt get proper credit for mpc pads ...so dont say he dont get proper credit

.......?

i do not follow your post. i'm speaking to the general ignorance of the history involved here. say the words MPC pads in this forum, then the names LINN and EVENTOFF. which name will folks on this forum identify the pads with?

LINN, but that's cuz that's his project tho. my point is yes Franklin Eventoff made a huge contribution to making the mpc happen. yet it's not only MPC that uses his technology/invention. so why should he take more credit for the mpc than Roger if it was Liinn's idea.


we could have the same discussion about inventor of the LCD screen on the mpcs. same shit credit goes to the main dude who designed, possibly made a first MPC protype with help of other inventors if the needed technology wasnt there yet for given project

Antonym wrote:folks give linn more credit than is due.

The MPC, yet alone this forum wouldn't exist if it weren't for the man.

The man is more than due credit.

Antonym wrote:BUT unless the lightable pads add some sort of important functionality other than just glitter, they're just a way to drive that price way up and impress people who have grown up watching blinking television screens.

In case of the LinnDrum 2 they do have an important functionality: XOX-style sequencing, possibly mutes and pattern selection.

I trust they'll put in quality pads. The specs mention 8-level velocity switching. That won't work with cheap pads.

sensei wrote:

Antonym wrote:folks give linn more credit than is due.

The MPC, yet alone this forum wouldn't exist if it weren't for the man.

The man is more than due credit.

but not more than he is due...

cowbell wrote:

Antonym wrote:BUT unless the lightable pads add some sort of important functionality other than just glitter, they're just a way to drive that price way up and impress people who have grown up watching blinking television screens.

In case of the LinnDrum 2 they do have an important functionality: XOX-style sequencing, possibly mutes and pattern selection.

I trust they'll put in quality pads. The specs mention 8-level velocity switching. That won't work with cheap pads.

being an old-timer raised on the 808, i find it hard to use x0x on a 4x4 grid. flashing lights in time with the beat on such a grid make me dizzy. i need a traditional 16 step light process.

earwolf wrote:being an old-timer raised on the 808, i find it hard to use x0x on a 4x4 grid. flashing lights in time with the beat on such a grid make me dizzy. i need a traditional 16 step light process.

It's looks like it's gonna be a 2x8 grid, not 4x4.
But i agree, XOX-style sequencing works best with 16 steps in one horizontal line.