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By psr Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:50 pm
AntonPD wrote:

playing this vid while i work on my roads (listening rather)... the portion when he played the drum pattern and twiddled around with the filter made me look up and pay attention closely. very nice filter here
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By AntonPD Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:40 am
yeah, and it seems you can/could buy it made for about 200

the brass and woodwind examples caught my attention the most though :-D
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By SimonInAustralia Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:04 am
terry towelling wrote:that moog resonator sounds great.

i found a printed circuit board clone for making the filter at home (there is also a wasp filter clone):
http://www.jhaible.com/resonator/resonator.html

AntonPD wrote:yeah, and it seems you can/could buy it made for about 200

Jurgen Haible, who's web pages are linked to above, passed away a while ago, so they would no longer be available from him, though it is possible someone else is making and selling them.
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By terry towelling Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:45 am
^^^ah, dead you say. then it might be a bit tricky getting the boards. there are schematics, but no board design for printing out and etching your own board.

the moog resonator filter and the moog ladder filter are two different things, right?
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By abc Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:28 am
Thanks, I searched this but never found this thread. I been looking for an analog filter and these two are about the right size and price but all I can find in demonstrations are people distorting drums. Anyone know how they do with extracting a piano loop for example? Image
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By abc Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:20 pm
Can anyone point me in the right direction of what to look for as far as specs or features with filters? Only ones I've ever used were inside my JJOS.
By Clint Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:12 pm
abc wrote:Can anyone point me in the right direction of what to look for as far as specs or features with filters? Only ones I've ever used were inside my JJOS.


I'll try a few, in laymans terms:

Filter Type: Low Pass, High Pass, Band Pass, Notch, etc
Cut-off Frequency: Frequency where the filter begins to act
Order/Pole: Defines the steepness of a cut-off slope (eg. 1-pole, 4-pole, 6-pole)
Resonance: Applies a boost around the filter cut-off frequency (many filters lack resonance!)
Q: Width of a frequency band/notch
Envelope: ADSR - envelope controls how filter behaves over time
Analogue or Digital: Warm and textured or cold and sterile (subjective)

Many quality analogue filters are based on the designs of filters found in classic synths.
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By abc Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:01 pm
Clint wrote:Order/Pole: Defines the steepness of a cut-off slope (eg. 1-pole, 4-pole, 6-pole)

You mean like attack and decay?
By Clint Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:02 pm
abc wrote:
Clint wrote:Order/Pole: Defines the steepness of a cut-off slope (eg. 1-pole, 4-pole, 6-pole)

You mean like attack and decay?


No.

I mean how progressive/aggressive the filter is around the cutoff point. I'll post a link later or just google "filter slopes".
By Clint Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:35 pm
abc wrote:
Clint wrote:Order/Pole: Defines the steepness of a cut-off slope (eg. 1-pole, 4-pole, 6-pole)

You mean like attack and decay?


Like this...

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Low-pass and high-pass filters often have a 'slope' control. What is the slope of a filter? How do you select the right slope?

A low-pass filter is a circuit that allows low frequencies to pass and cuts high frequencies. What's interesting is what happens in the transition between pass and cut.

Most filters do not simply pass certain frequencies, then suddenly at a certain point cut the rest of the frequency band completely. A so-called 'brick wall' filter is neither useful nor sounds good in most circumstances.

Instead there is a 'pass band' in which signals get through unaltered, then a gentle transition to the 'cutoff frequency' where the level is 3 dB lower than in the pass band. Then the response falls off further and further down into the 'stop band'.

If the simplest possible filter is constructed from electronic components - one resistor and one capacitor - then the rate at which the level drops in the stop band will be 6 decibels per octave.

This means that for each successive doubling of frequencies above the cutoff frequency, the response falls 6 dB. (This is the same as saying 20 dB per decade - a drop of 20 decibels for every tenfold increase in frequency).

A slightly more complex filter design can achieve 12 dB/octave; further increases in complexity can yield 18 dB/octave and 24 dB/octave. Oddly enough, in-between values are more complex to achieve, and therefore pointless to attempt.

The question is what use are these different filter 'slopes'?

A 6dB per octave slope is useful for gentle shaping - a little less bright, a little less heavy, depending on whether the filter is high-pass or low-pass. 12 dB/octave is more useful in a creative musical context. 18 dB/octave even more so as you can cut out great swathes of frequencies and hear hardly anything that you don't want left behind.

24 dB/octave is a little harsh for most purposes. It's like a cliff edge rather than a steep hill, and you can hear the 'edge' where the response suddenly starts to fall.

However in synthesis - subtractive ('analog') synthesis, then 24 dB/octave is perfect as it can remove high frequencies while still leaving 'bite' in the sound. Some synthesizers have filters with even steeper slopes.

Loudspeaker crossovers also have filters. 12 dB/octave and 18 dB/octave slopes are commonly used to separate bands of frequencies between woofer, mid-range and tweeter. The steeper 24 dB/octave slope is usually only found in PA systems where an active crossover (for which a 24 dB/octave filter is easier to implement) divides the frequency bands before the signals pass through to the power amplifiers.

By David Mellor, Course Director of Audio Masterclass
Thursday March 19, 2009

http://www.audiomasterclass.com/should- ... Gu6podQEi0

so... more 'poles' or higher dB-per-octave numbers (24, 18) = steeper slope
and less 'poles' or lower dB-per-octave numbers (2, 4, 6) = gentler slope
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By abc Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:35 am
Damn had to read that a couple times. Good info to know, but I've been thinking of buying a 404 instead of one of those other units I posted. I feel like it'll be good to have the fx along with the filters, keep the amount of hardware to a minimum.