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By NoonELee Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:29 pm
How do the old school samplers such as the s900 s950 and s1000 interact with an MPC and why do people use them if the MPC can sample?
By DJEther Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:17 pm
Well to start off...

the S900/S950 are 12 bit and give the the samples a warmer feel and an analog filter.

The S1000 is 16 bit, dont really know much about it but it has 2 mb of ram expandable to 32 mb.

What rack samplers give to the end user controlling it w/ an MPC or other type of device is that it allows one to have more advance editing capabilities then a standard MPC would give.

There are lots of advanced edit capabilities for looping, truncating, sample merging, time comp/exp, tuning and even analog-like parameters to control its filters and envelopes.

Some also come w/ effects and can operate like a synth w/ synth like filters.

An MPC is not a full fledged Sampler as others might think.

An ASR-10 is a full fledged sampler but the MPC isnt.

It also allows the user to go deeper into keygroups and gives one more sampling time if needed.

Plus the fact that they are vintage or somwhat vintage gives people that warm sound, back then build quality was important so they last longer minus the displays going dim due to age.

Basically what you do is either Midi your MPC to your Rack Sampler and use the MPC to trigger the sounds from the rack sampler.

or

What some people due do cuz since they are old and some of em cant sample as much as the newer ones is that they sample what they want then re sample it into their MPC or whatever other hardware they use.

Since people like the sequencer on the MPC, they would use the MPC as a sequencer for the rack sampler.

IMO, people use them also for that old school vintage sound that started off Hip Hop.

Check this site for more info.

http://www.vintagesynth.com/akai/s900.php

On the left side has other Akai products as well.

If you dont want that vintage warm sound you could opt for some new digital samplers like some triton racks,Fantom XR Rack or Check out the Akai Z Series samplers that sample at 24 bit like the Z8 which came out in 2003. Nowadays synth rack modules are also samplers sort of like an all-in-one.
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By Fung45 Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:15 pm
I think the sound is the number 1 on my list. I have an s900, an EPS16+ and a ESI-4000 they all have unique sounds and I can use them to filter sound through and change the sound then control them all from the MPC2000 my main sequencer.
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By DSTRUCT Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:38 pm
DJEther wrote:Well to start off...

the S900/S950 are 12 bit and give the the samples a warmer feel and an analog filter.

The S1000 is 16 bit, dont really know much about it but it has 2 mb of ram expandable to 32 mb.

What rack samplers give to the end user controlling it w/ an MPC or other type of device is that it allows one to have more advance editing capabilities then a standard MPC would give.

There are lots of advanced edit capabilities for looping, truncating, sample merging, time comp/exp, tuning and even analog-like parameters to control its filters and envelopes.

Some also come w/ effects and can operate like a synth w/ synth like filters.

An MPC is not a full fledged Sampler as others might think.

An ASR-10 is a full fledged sampler but the MPC isnt.

It also allows the user to go deeper into keygroups and gives one more sampling time if needed.

Plus the fact that they are vintage or somwhat vintage gives people that warm sound, back then build quality was important so they last longer minus the displays going dim due to age.

Basically what you do is either Midi your MPC to your Rack Sampler and use the MPC to trigger the sounds from the rack sampler.

or

What some people due do cuz since they are old and some of em cant sample as much as the newer ones is that they sample what they want then re sample it into their MPC or whatever other hardware they use.

Since people like the sequencer on the MPC, they would use the MPC as a sequencer for the rack sampler.

IMO, people use them also for that old school vintage sound that started off Hip Hop.

Check this site for more info.

http://www.vintagesynth.com/akai/s900.php

On the left side has other Akai products as well.

If you dont want that vintage warm sound you could opt for some new digital samplers like some triton racks,Fantom XR Rack or Check out the Akai Z Series samplers that sample at 24 bit like the Z8 which came out in 2003. Nowadays synth rack modules are also samplers sort of like an all-in-one.


dope explanation man, good job
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By vinyl_junkie_1620 Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:48 pm
Yeah man good explanation DJEther, thing is with the S* series e.g. S-3000/XL all these advanced capabilities come at a bit of a price and a big learning curve compared to the MPC which is very instant in what you want to do imo any way, although I can work the 3000XL very quick and know it, there are just things I would rather do in the MPC as it's quicker like loading drums.
They both compliment each other very well though! MPC for drums/samples/simple music loops and for me the S-3200XL for synth sounds that the MPC just can't do.
And of course the 3200XL has the FX, extra filters, basic hard disk recording etc...you can do a lot with these samplers but be prepared to read the manual and spend some time with it.
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By Menco Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:51 pm
I have an MPC1000, which has a bright transparant sound. Some like it, others not. I like to sample my drums and most of my basslines (complete beats sometimes) into my s950 for that raw sound I miss with my 1000.
For me it's a sound thing and not a spec thing that made me want to use an s950
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By vinyl_junkie_1620 Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:55 pm
Yeah man the 900 and 950 sound nice! I want one too lol Have the 3200XL for specs, MPC for sequencing etc and the 950 or a 900 for that lovely 12bit sound now if only I could afford a SP-1200 or MPC-60 lol
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By faze1 Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:13 pm
I have the mpc1k and the original S3000. I got the S3000 cuz i did not want to throw $1300 or more on the mpc3k (money at the time was tight and could not drop tht much bread on one piece of equipment) The S3000 and mpc3k share the same sound engine. S3000+mpc1k=poor man's mpc3000 :D One other delight i found was that it could share some of the polyphony load with the mpc. I layer alot of sounds so polyphony is not an issue anymore. I pretty much use it for drums and also as a synth cuz i usually sample vst instruments into the s3000. Sometimes i even run the sample into the s3000 then into the mpc just to give the sample a lil extra "seasoning"! Once you learn how to get around in these older samplers, they are great companions to mpcs.
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By DukeNewport Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:16 am
DJEther wrote:the S900/S950 are 12 bit and give the the samples a warmer feel and an analog filter.

It's a digital filter
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By jonestown massacre Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:51 am
An MPC is not a full fledged Sampler as others might think.
An ASR-10 is a full fledged sampler but the MPC isnt.


How is an MP not a full fledged sampler and an asr10 is?? (Just wondering)
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By vinyl_junkie_1620 Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:16 am
The MP is not a full fledged sampler..it is what it is; a sampling DRUM machine with a good sequencer, you can't do key maping/splits, advanced looping, propper filtering etc it's basicaly like a phrase sampler...a one shot machine but you do have the 16 levels, while something like the ASR is basicaly a propper sampler like the S-3000 but with a sequencer.
By Nojus Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:10 am
ever found a few dope notes of say a piano on a record and thought damn if i only had this piano. with a sampler u can take those few notes and spread them on the whole keyboard. mpcs (except 4k) cant really do that properly.

plus the sound
plus its hands on
plus its just way more fun

yes, it takes way more time to make a beat with old school equipment, but then u start to appreciate that beat, your work, the hard work, u put your time in it, threat it like a baby, train your ear, try to work out limitations which leads to creativity. u can prolly make 5 beats usin software in the same time. but anytime, anywhere its about quality, not quantity.