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By 45 rpm Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:06 pm
Just my 2 cents

You might wanna re-think the notion of using a subwoofer when mixing or tracking. It colours your sound and you usually end up with an end-product thats light in low-end frequencies. Try to keep in mind what the average listener will be playing back your stuff on. Without a subwoofer, would your track still kick? Get a pair of monitors with good frequency response across the spectrum. If your mixes thump on those, then they'll most likely thump anywhere. Nothing worse than playing back tracks in some guys office and he's like, "tracks sound kinda weak don't they?" and all you can say is, "damn, they were like fire at home".
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By dylantinc Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:30 pm
Actually, With all the people out there sitting in front of a computer and their 3-piece pc speakers, a sub isn't such a bad idea. try the M-Audio SBX. It's a home studio grade sub. You run your monitors through there and use crossovers and such. Subs are great if you don't want big-ass 8" monitors on your desk. Plus, you can do a 5.1 setup with the sub. How many movies are done in 5.1??? Like all of 'em! Just be sure you don't get carried away with the bass sounds. Cuz you'll end up having a hard time getting over the thump. Mix in 2 then 2.1, this way you are checking yourself for cancellations and wack frequencies. Also, try mixing in mono.
I even audition through a little 3-piece pc speaker system so I know what
all the little twerps up past their bedtime hear after they've just downloaded my tunes. No hard feeling, just gettin' tired :)
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By 45 rpm Wed Jun 02, 2004 7:45 pm
dylantinc wrote:Actually, With all the people out there sitting in front of a computer and their 3-piece pc speakers, a sub isn't such a bad idea


Maybe not, but again, think of the "average" listener/buyer/consumer. The average consumer doesn't listen to the majority of their music thru PC speakers and an even smaller percentage of those who do own more than a basic 2-piece system. As far as PC audio, most folks are content with their "free with purchase monitors" and rely on dedicated decks or portable personal stereos (discmans, MP3 players, boomboxes etc.) for casual & serious listening. Also, while alot of people might have subs connected to their surround sound home theater setups alot more folks don't have those systems yet. You want a mix that can play anywhere and sound right to any listener on any system.
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By dylantinc Thu Jun 03, 2004 5:01 am
I know what you're saying. I meant more specifically the people who are into electronic music as a whole most likely have some sort of mini setup.

By mwalker Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:10 pm
only if you are mixing surround sound use a sub bass. the thing to use for mixing are reference monitors. period. yes, it is true about the computer speaker but most people listen to music on thier car cd/cassette players.
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By cyrus Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:33 am
mwalker wrote:only if you are mixing surround sound use a sub bass. the thing to use for mixing are reference monitors. period. yes, it is true about the computer speaker but most people listen to music on thier car cd/cassette players.


true. But testing your recordings on multiple setups is a must. Test them on your monitors, your car, your computer, your headphones, your mommas butt. You get the idea.....................you want that shit to bang no matter where you are.

peace

By Dos Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:06 am
If you're mixing for a club then you need to be able to hear whats going on in the low low end, you need to be able to control the sub bass in your mix. Otherwise your track gets dropped in the club and it's either weak as hell compared to other tracks, it's way to boomy and you can't hear anything else, or you get lucky and it rocks. Either way you're not going to find out till you drop it in the club. Unless of course you can monitor this at home. i.e. a sub.

Don't know how much dollar you got but check out Genelec, really detailed subs www.genelec.com

P.S. I speak from expierience, the good news is you'll only ever drop a weak track once in a club because the next day you'll go out and get a sub!!! :D
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By cyrus Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:31 am
Dos wrote:P.S. I speak from expierience, the good news is you'll only ever drop a weak track once in a club because the next day you'll go out and get a sub!!! :D


i know what your sayin man.....sometimes feelin it is just as important as hearing it.....thats why i hate hearing any lil jon shit unless im in the club. ya know.

By Teh-Wei Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:44 pm
cyrus wrote:
mwalker wrote:only if you are mixing surround sound use a sub bass. the thing to use for mixing are reference monitors. period. yes, it is true about the computer speaker but most people listen to music on thier car cd/cassette players.


true. But testing your recordings on multiple setups is a must. Test them on your monitors, your car, your computer, your headphones, your mommas butt. You get the idea.....................you want that **** to bang no matter where you are.

peace


word. buy a plug in called PAZ frequency analyzer (thats what
its called in pro tools, I'm sure other software has it too) Pop
some cd's that fit your genre of music and study their response curve. You'll start seeing a pattern, mix your songs with the curve in mind.
check your curve. make them match, then you'll know if your
songs will sound right. constantly do comparative listening.

By m203 Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:40 pm
Sup naughty nautica nah nah nah nah nah-nah nah nah gettin jiggy with it... sup sup sup..

Check it, there is NOTHING wrong with monitoring with a sub. And for the fools saying the average consumer don't got a sub.. please. EVERYBODY got subs on they computers now, EVERYBODY got subs in they ridez, EVERYBODY gettin' home theatre sh1tz with subz and things... subz EVERYWHERE. Not only that, you think Dr. Dre mix without a sub??? LOL Please. They got subs BANGIN' in post production so they know (exactly what you said) is "goin' on down there."

Hell yeah. You on the right track. Go on. Check out the KrK sh1t... it's tight

Keep bangin them beats
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By Analog Warriors Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:01 pm
:D Genelec is AMAZING ... but very expensive - take a look @ this one from Event http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/20-20-S250.html

i LIKE them and you can be shure that they won't give u a false response of you bassline, i used it with my TB303 and my Roland SH2 ... i also listen to a Minimoog Model D on it ... very clear nice bass.