Motif Es vs Triton extreme vs Roland Phanton Fanton

sup yall,
man yall probably bored with my questions

ok , so yall recommended the motif over the triton studio as far as sounds,
what about the motif compared to the triton extreme and roland fanton, which one has the better sounds ???

What about a sampler, which one got the best sampler???

Another question , what makes the asr-10 the best keyboard sampler outhere,
how does the asr-10 sampler compare to the triton extreme, roland fanton, and mpc 2000xl

im asking all these questions beacuse , i got an mpc 2000xl, got a triton studio ( im thinking of selling it ), and just got an asr-10
and im thinking of buying either the motif , triton extreme or fantom

holla, i only take advice from my crew

I just bought a Motif Rack yesterday... and its NICE...... If you've ever worked with a sound module before, this one is a piece of cake.....

I own the triton studio. I use it for sounds and sound design mainly. I use to use it for the sequencer and sampling, but I have been using the mpc to control the triton.

I would say get the triton extreme. I know the motif has great sounds! out of the box they are probably better than the triton(realistic wise), but as far as other features go, the triton wins, and this makes a couple "realistic" sounds not so important:

the triton sounds are good, i seriously would not worry about this. They all are good, its really a matter of taste. ive done testing of all 3 side by side, and i always go to the motif for the piano, the fantom for funkier unique sounds (fresh so to speak) and the triton for thick layered sounds. You cant really complain with any of them. I think you should look at the "features" and "interface" over the sounds with these big 3.

But the triton will win with: the "combi" feature; effects; applying effects to samples; overall interface and logic: the triton is super easy to edit and layer sounds, and make good sounding original sounds from scratch (and you dont have to be a good synth programer) This is why its better than the others. The interface is just so easy. This makes everything work well. Its easy to figure out the sequencer. Creating new sounds and adding effects is easy, plus applying effects to samples. i have no problem controling the triton from my mpc, or using it by itself stand alone.

The "combi" mode, basically is a mode where you layer up to 8 "programs" (programs are the preset sounds-you can edit these too) i.e. take 2 good string presets and put them together, sort of like layering 2 kicks on the mpc-you get 8 slots, you can apply effects, to splits, etc. you then can drop you creation into the sequencer to control internally, or via mpc. With the combi feature you really can take a good plain preset sounds and make some wicked thick sounds-sounds you couldnt think of out of thin air without the triton. Yeah you can layer sounds with the mpc by crossing midi channels, but you get good control over them with the triton.

Touch screen is just pure easy. I know this isnt that a big deal, but once you use it, youll love it, and see why its such a good feature over the other boards.

The triton extreme has all the sounds of the triton studio, plus more (as if the you purchased all the expansion roms and put them in the triton studio)

got any more questions just ask.

BTW. im not tryin to "sell" the triton, but I think if you want good features and sounds (as a good tool) its the best. If you just want good sounds, stick with the motif rack, or fantom rack.

BUT thats my opinion, not tryin to hate on the others peace.

Oh, and I produce hiphop. My style is pretty spread out. I like to make some underground sounding beats, or "mainstream" I can do both with the triton. Or i can make lil jon type ish. But so far i have not been held back to a particalar "sound" with the triton.

I can not say the same for my mophatt module. Whenever i hop on that, my beats come out "darker" and definaltly underground and synthy.

If i use the mpc and triton together i get break drums over mainstream sounds.

If i use the mpc by itself i get east coast sample beats.

If i use the triton by itself i get more melody beats.

So far the mpc and triton tegether i get my most mainstream sounding beats. with the feel i like to em, and the drums nice (because of mpc)

cyrus wrote:If i use the mpc by itself i get east coast sample beats.

cop a sample disk with all the motif sounds as wavs, you aint gonna get the same full synth effect, but loading them sounds on the 16 levels will get you pretty close.

DOVESKI wrote:

cyrus wrote:If i use the mpc by itself i get east coast sample beats.

cop a sample disk with all the motif sounds as wavs, you aint gonna get the same full synth effect, but loading them sounds on the 16 levels will get you pretty close.

Doveski, That sounds like a good idea. Do you load the sounds straight from a cd drive, or do you use your computer to swap to zip? I dont have an external cd drive yet, but that was because i never really used sample cds......i always just sampled my own sounds, id like to try it out.

Can you recomend any good sample cds? i.e. the motif one you are refering to? That would be nice, I guess i could just sample my triton, but thats pointless cause i already can just use it.....ya know, id like to add some motif sounds to the mix, with little effort.

Peace.

If the disc is ISO format you can load it straight on to the MPC through your SCSI cd drive. But you can swap them on your PC as well.

i had the triton classic, fantom-s never treied the motif except in the store, i gotta say the triton is the illest

Man, I just purchased a motif es7 and should be getting it sometime next week. What attracted me to this machine, sounds and mlan. The Fantom is better at sampling and things of that nature. from what I've heard the motif has a learning like no other but hell if you on the thing long enuff pieces will eventually fall into place. but anyway, I've been sampling on the 2000 classic so you know that just about anything is an improvement. As far as i'm concerned, Doing shit manually is a pain. I've prolly be using the mpc just to bang out beats so...

Ya Im feeling that breakdown on the Triton
Lots of kids be dissing the Triton like you cant still make a hit on it

I got the Triton Studio 88, Motif ES 6, and the FantomX6 (aint bust it out the box yet, need to set a good amount of time aside for it)

Motif I'm always going to it for Guitars, and Horns pretty much
Triton always handles my Bass/Strings/Synths/Pianos(I like the pianos here more)

Sound design, my man ^ nailed it, you can always knock out some weird/cool/nice/thick shit in combi, sometimes I stack using the Motif in addition to the triton using external midi

My main thing when I had to buy the first one, I was like man I need some shit thats simple to use, in addition to use to my MPC, after **** with the touchscreen, the seq, everything, I was sold, granted as far as realistic sounds acoustic wise the Motif def has that locked up, but that wasn't important to me, everything else soundwise is def on point, I wanted something more than a soundmodule and the Triton def gave that to me, I don't turn my Motif on less its a certain sound I need to Trigger

Shits a headache and a pain sometime, granted with time and patience you can def work the machine though

I say all 3 are an excellent choice.

I prefer the Motif though for all the unique sounds its synthesis produce.
The acoustic instruments are of course the most realistic out of all the above boards.

I say go test them out in person, and make the judgement call based on what features / sounds are best suited for your type of production.

Cyrus, I got the Triton -Rack and I thought you could only use one Combi at a time, how do you go about using multiple Combis at the same time to make a beat

Skiggy wrote:Cyrus, I got the Triton -Rack and I thought you could only use one Combi at a time, how do you go about using multiple Combis at the same time to make a beat

well, it should be the same on the rack as the triton, however, The rack does not have "sequence mode", because it does not have a sequencer, but there is a substitue mode on it, because on the regular triton, sequence mode is what you use for a "multi setup", even if you are not using the internal sequencer. but i think its called multi mode? anyways it should work the same:

you can actually only use 2 combis simialtaneously, this is because the triton is only 16 part multimberal, and since combis use 8 parts, you only get 2.****** But there are other ways around this too, ill explain in a second.

anyways, When in "sequence mode" or Multi mode (on the rack) you simply go to the menu and select "copy from combi" select either tracks 1-8, or 9-16.

some things to remember with combis:

-When in multi mode with the combis, you only get 2 tracks essentially i.e. 2 combis, however most combis are splits (as in more than one sound on the keyboard, split.) so you can get around the limited slots.

-most combis are designed for the sales man at the store, so, there are arpegiator settings, that utilize drum patterns, so you get cool drums to play your splits with, but usually they are un original, AND THEY USE up slots that other sounds could share. The problem is, you have to edit the combi to get to those slots (because the zones, and midi channels are changed) i will explain how to do this below.

Solution: turn the arpegiator off, or under the track that hat the drum program, in the "status" section, you can switch the track to internal, external, or off. I usually turn the track off-that way i can still use the arpegiator, but the drums dont kick in. Then i adjust the tempo of the arpegiator to correspond with my mpc.

-tempo of the multisetup will sometime determine the tempo of the effects that are applied to the combi, so if there is a phaser, or room effect or somethign, its effects parameters are connected to the tempo, so even if you dont use the arpegiator, set the tempo to your track.

-say there is a bass sound you like in a combi, however you dont want to take up space in "multi mode" so.........you find out what layers are used for the bass track, then copy from combi, into multi mode (like above). Go into main menu-"track parameters" look at the midi channels tab for tracks 1-8, notice that they are all 1, 1, 1, 1, and maybe like 6 (for the drums) well you can switch the instruments that are not part of the bass patch, to the original midi channel (i.e. track 5 corresponds with midi channel 5) so that you can now use that track for whatever instrument you want!!!!!!! and it will then work like a normal track, thus eliminating the "8 slots" for combi rules. you may have to adjust the effects accordingly.

-copying effects of other combis can be fun. most combis really rely on effects to turn them out differant.

-utilize the arpegiator, if you really edit the arpegiator, adn use them with your combis, you can get some nice original stuff.

-the best thing to do is to edit a preexisting combi, see how things are, then change them to your needs.

peace out, if i think of anything more i will let you know, but ive got to go now and i cant really finish PEACE!!!!!

btw, you may need to update your OS, there is a comand in "multi mode" where you can also copy from program too (so you can easily copy all the arpegiator settings, effects, etc) into multi mode. very nice feature

peace

I LOVE my Motif ES6 its HOT mos def!