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By MGStudios Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:05 pm
Whatsup guys?

Well I've been working hard on my MPC2000XL lately and mastering it. I got an ASR10 about 6 months ago and never really fell in love with it...it doesn't have SCSI or anything but I still thought I would find something I loved about it. I never really did. The effects were AWESOME, but that can't justify it for what people claim it truly is. I still have it and might try pairing it with the 2000XL but I'm not sure if this could get confusing, the machine is reallyreally oldschool.

Whats the big deal with the ASR10?
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By JUKE 179r Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:37 pm
For me... I like the ease of playing samples as a multi-sampler and truncate samples up and down the keys... it's more melodic for my musical uses.

It costs a bit more but max out your RAM to 16MB, get a SP3 SCSI card and a card reader will help out immensely when saving/loading. The SP3 SCSI board pops up every once in awhile on eBay. It took mee about 3 years to finally purchase one but it's well worth it!
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By mp3 Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:43 pm
To this day the ASR-10 can do stuff with a sample that no other sampler can:

-the transwave function
-the looping algorithms, especially the synthesize loop function

With transwaves, you can essentially chop a sample up into a hundred pieces and use a MIDI controller (CC, aftertouch, etc.) to determine which slice gets played back in realtime, without retriggering the sample. You can do a whole lot more than that with transwaves, but that's the gist of it.

With synthesize loop you can make playable instruments out of just about any vinyl sample. Its great for taking the essence of the vinyl sound and using it to create playable instruments. The only thing I've seen to match it is the new penrose, moebius, and escher machines in Redmatica Autosampler. Even without the synthesize loop, it goes way beyond any other sampler ever made with all the other loop crossfade algorithms available.

Also it has some other very nice features:

- extensive modulation
- polyphonic aftertouch (you can modulate each sample based on how hard you press the key)
- non-destructive chopping
- the effects (especially the modulation based ones and the eq)
- the sound quality (always sounds thick - can be lofi-ish at 30k sample rate, or relatively clean at 44k) complements the MPC well
- very playable (if loud) keybed
- nice swing to the sequencer (timing isn't as precise as the MPC, but you can use that to your advantage because sequences can sound more humanized)

All in all, its the package of features that, when you put it all together, make it (IMO) the best sampler of all time. The only problem is that its all stuck behind an early 90's interface. Its certainly a labor of love and it takes dedication to get the best out of this board. But it will reward your patience. Its best to think of it as a sample based synthesizer in the same vein as the EMU Ultra series.

Interestingly, most people I see using it, basically don't use many of the advanced features, they basically use it to just do a simple chop-up. If that's all you need from it, then I'd recommend the ASR-X instead. Because its easier to learn and the architecture is simpler and faster for that type of workflow.
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By elevated Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:03 pm
mp3 wrote:With transwaves, you can essentially chop a sample up into a hundred pieces and use a MIDI controller (CC, aftertouch, etc.) to determine which slice gets played back in realtime, without retriggering the sample.


I'm trying to get my brain around what this feature does. Maybe this is what Alchemist used to make that classic "alalalalalal,,, alchemist" vocal tag?
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By mp3 Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:27 pm
elevated wrote:
mp3 wrote:With transwaves, you can essentially chop a sample up into a hundred pieces and use a MIDI controller (CC, aftertouch, etc.) to determine which slice gets played back in realtime, without retriggering the sample.


I'm trying to get my brain around what this feature does. Maybe this is what Alchemist used to make that classic "alalalalalal,,, alchemist" vocal tag?


could be... I could think of a lot of other ways to get that effect though.

You can think of transwaves essentially as wavetable synthesis (ala PPG Wave) where you can use any MIDI controller to determine what part of the wavetable gets played, but instead of being locked into whatever wavetables the manufacturer sticks in the board, you can use any sample you want. That's the beauty of it. You can do a lot more than that, but that's the gist.

Quick and Dirty Transwaves

* Take a microphone and sample the word "hello"(its good for hearing the results)
* Now press <edit wave> and turn the loop on, loop forward for now(i forgot about this one, its a basic thing)
* Now you should hear "hellohellohello"
* Press <edit, system-midi> and scroll to AUTO LOOP FINDING. Turn it off.
* Press <edit,wave> again,and scroll to "loopend". Turn it to zero.now you should hear either nothing or a very high tone(or the whole memory of your sampler,but that's another story)
* Underline the fine position (the one to the left) and move the loopend away from zero slowly. The tone you hear should become deeper.turn it away until its about the same pitch as your original "hello" was. This is a single cycle loop.
* Now go to "mod/src" as I told you,select "transwav" as mod. and "wheel" as source.
* Go to the next page ("mod amt=+0") and turn the modulation amount to maximum,+99.
* Now if you move the wheel,you should hear your singlecycle (=VERY short) loop. Move from h to e,to l,to o. This won't sound like the best audiomorph you've ever heard, but it explains the basic technique just fine. It depends on the source sample you use what results you get. A simple "bweeeaaaooouuuu" from a resonant filter is a much better source for example. The realtime timestretching can be done if you use the envelopes as the modulation source.a slow envelope will move slowly through the sample, a fast one will do it fast, all without changing the pitch.But, remember, finding the right loop, getting rid of all the clicks that might occur is a HARD job and you'd be wasting your time if you try it if you don't know the asr/>eps by heart."loopstart+x" is a much quicker way to get a really wild modulation out of ANY sample! And, once more, if you're interested in all the details, buy the Waveboy Transwave Library. You'll get a great manual and many examples for what a transwave can be good for.
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By MGStudios Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:16 am
Any videos of people using the Transwave by chance? Or even the synthesize loop? I am guilty of not using these functions....would love to see a video of it in action.
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By mr_debauch Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:28 am
MGStudios wrote:Any videos of people using the Transwave by chance? Or even the synthesize loop? I am guilty of not using these functions....would love to see a video of it in action.


stay up man... maybe this new info will trigger some creative ideas for what you're trying to do.
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By crossings Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:45 pm
i'm curious to know what you were expecting from the ASR10 that it isn't doing for you? you need to always put into perspective the year when the gear came out... it's an oldass sampler that had everything you could ever need in a sampler when it came out... and it still has a great sound & sequencer compared to current gear... but you can't expect modern features from older gear... why aren't you digging it?
By zippertafari Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:02 pm
MGStudios wrote:Any videos of people using the Transwave by chance? Or even the synthesize loop? I am guilty of not using these functions....would love to see a video of it in action.


+1
Will keep an eye on this thread for sure, but if anyone creates/finds a video of either of these 2 features it'd be great to see.
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By SV1200 Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:16 pm
yeah Im a bit confused why you got an ASR-10? Gotta check the specs and what it does before you buy. What were you expecting it to do that it doesn't? I think its the best sampling keyboard ever made, even to this day. Ease of use, quality of sound, effects, modulation. Plus its a full fledged sampler which your 2XL isn't. MPC/ ASR is a deadly combo.
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By elevated Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:08 pm
He's probably thrown off by the interface. Keep in mind this kid is young,,, didn't grown up in the small screens days like some of us.