For discussion about setting up your studio and advice on the gear and equipment within it.
By lameaim13 Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:06 am
Hey everyone,

I recently snagged a 2000xl as my first piece of equipment after a lengthy decision-making process involving pretty much anything you can think of. I'm still wrapping my head around the MPC and reading the manual daily, but defintely feel like it is a very capable piece of equipment.

However, I've run into a couple of problems... one major, one minor. The minor is that I don't really have any real sounds yet - kind of has me toying with the idea of getting a sound module. That's really a minor problem though... I could always get a couple of sample CDs to tide me over... but the main problem I'm having is that the MPC doesn't really offer the sound mangling possibilities I was looking forward to. My tastes kind of run towards the grittier, more electronic sounding side of hip-hop, like Prefuse73, El-P, and Jel and Alias from Anticon, just to name a few. And I'm familiar with the kind of equipment they use, but I certainly don't want to straight-out copy people. But I do want something that I can use to do dirty, dirty things to samples. Hah.

As it would turn out, I'm getting a profit-sharing check from work soon and will have some money on my hands... so if I pool that with what I've saved, I should have enough for a companion piece. That's where you all come in. I could use some advice.

Essentially I'm looking for something that has better sampling and better effects than the 2000xl. Sounds would be nice, but not absolutely necessary. I've gotten it narrowed down to three items... the Roland MC-909, the Yamaha A4000/A5000, and the Roland V-Synth. So far, I've come up with the following observations:

The 909 would definitely allow better sampling, better sample editing and better effects, not to mention that it also has sounds built in.... and the general opinion about it has been positive. USB drag 'n drop is also nice.

The A5000 is the cheapest out of the bunch (used) and I've only heard good things about it. Plus it's a full sampler with a hard drive built in. The only drawback that I understand it has is the user interface... Yamaha isn't always known to have the cleanest UI on the planet.

Finally, the V-Synth is the most expensive out of the three, but I think it makes up that ground through sheer potential. I've used one a couple of times and loved the hands-on control. Main drawback is definitely its price.

So there's all the details... any input about those three items or any others that you think might suit my purposes would be greatly appreciated. My only real steadfast rule is that I'm trying to stay away from software for now... I fix computers for a living and am trying to stay away from them for now as far as the music hobby is concerned. Thanks again for making it all the way through this...

By aprim Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:26 pm
I would go with the V-Synth, great sampling unit. I find it amazing what it can do with a Sample. Varipharse is no joke.
But you May want to look at the V9000 which is the rack version (with out the synth) of the V-Synth. It too samples and I herd great things about it. Buit It limited voice, and storage options kind of hung it out to dry.
Anyway its an amazing unit.

By aprim Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:30 pm
Dont do the 909, its not a much better sampler at all. My patner is trying to unload his right now.
The A5000, is a great unit, but think about this FLOPPY OR SCSI. What a pain in the ass to hook up a SCSI drive, carry it around. Get something off a cd.
Why dont you Sell the 2000xl , and get a 4000. Problems solved!
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By ieism Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:38 pm
Exactly what are you having trouble with? Drums, basslines, instruments? I'm pretty sure i could reproduce the sound of Jel or something just with the mpc. i don't think he uses much more than an sp1200 from what i hear.
I would get some samples first and get some tracks done, and then see what's missing in your sound.
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By Boogie Man Thu Mar 04, 2004 10:01 pm
lameaim13 wrote:But I do want something that I can use to do dirty, dirty things to samples. Hah.

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a cheap route would be to use a tape deck and the re-sample feature on the MPC. Be creative...

By TheMPCRipper Fri Mar 05, 2004 6:38 pm
The minor is that I don't really have any real sounds yet - kind of has me toying with the idea of getting a sound module.

Get some wax and go to town. I was really lazy for a while, and hated sample things, I felt it took took long with editing and everything. Then got an analog board to find out I hate programing them more, because it took forever. One day I decided that I would make a minimum of 10 samples a day before I made any tracks. Next thing you know, I got a nice sound library, and I just have to power my MPC up and bang out tracks.

The main problem I'm having is that the MPC doesn't really offer the sound mangling possibilities I was looking forward to. My tastes kind of run towards the grittier, more electronic sounding side of hip-hop.

I would agree with that, the 2000 should have came with at least a high pass filter, real time pitch contol, and cross fade looping. I kinda feel ripped off in that department. The Yamaha is a nice sampler, but for 200 beans you can pick up a ESI2000. I think it is the best bang for your buck man. You can mangle your samples pretty nicely with it, and it has enough power to buy a module sample the nuts off it and return it in less the thirty days. I pull games like that all the time. You can get sounds and say damn the man at the same time. With the left over dough that you would save from no buying the V Synth you can get some other stuff. Maybe some effects or keyboard. I dunno it's just what I think. Some would agree and some would disagree. Best if luck

By Brian Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:04 am
I'm kinda in the same position as this guy. I have my MPC2000XL and not much else. I want to either get a mixer or a S950, but am not too sure what to get first. I can **** with samples on my computer but I would rather do it on hardware since I don't like doing that shit on a computer. Any suggestions for a mixer or should I just go with the S950?

By elmacaco Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:22 am
I would go with a better rack sampler than the S950, sure it sounds great, but if you get the A or S 5000 you will have more at your fingertips and less headaches overall.

For grit get a good tube overdrive pedal or rack, I would opt for the mixer if you have the 8 outs. Overdriving that can give you a good sound. I vote mixer.

As for the earlier cat, cop some sounds from the tutor or someone to get going, then you will yearn to sample your own or just keep buying samples.

Yo ripper, what analog board took forever to program? That sounds like a hybrid like an Alpha juno or something, true analog is so easy to manipulate, makes me feel like an alchemist ;)

By lameaim13 Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:55 am
Thank you for giving me your input. I especially like the idea on focusing on just finding samples or sounds that you like without worrying about how they fit into a song as a whole. That's defintely something I am going to do.

As for the extra piece of gear, I think I am going to focus on collecting sounds first, and then figure out what to add later. Will probably add a full sampler in the next couple of months, though.

Again, thank you all for your suggestions and if anyone feels like adding any other suggestions, please do.

By TheMPCRipper Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:48 pm
Yeah man the alpha juno 2. Sounds great but a real pain in the ass surfing thru the parameters. I have been trying cop a pg-300, but I can't find one in good condition for a decent price. Since then I got a nord 2 which is a lot easier to program, but the presets suck, and a motif rack which programing is a pain in the ass but the presets sound great. I guess that is the trade off you have to made. I am pretty much all done with boards at this point and dumping my dough towards signal processing, and spending my time find some better session musicians.

By elmacaco Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:58 pm
I copped a PG 300 for a friend for 130.

Man it really opens it up!

The alpha juno does sound really dope.

I would have copped an ugly but working one cheap.

By TheMPCRipper Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:19 pm
I have been looking on ebay for a little while for one, soon enough I get it. The Alpha is def. an underrated board, has a real rough sound. I got a really good deal on my Juno, I got it a little more 3 years ago brand new for like 255 with the box, manual, plastic carrying case, the whole nine. Some lady in Canada had it since it came out and never used it. I saw some guy on ebay selling the PG300 in the box new a few months back for like 175 or something, but didn't hop on it fast enough. It is a damn shame. You would really be surprized what kinda deals you can come up with sometimes.

By elmacaco Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:50 am
Call East Village Music in NYC, they had a couple at 180 or so.

By TheMPCRipper Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:29 pm
Good isht! I head out there today once my girl leaves. Good looks. You from the area?

By elmacaco Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:57 pm
Yup, I'll be down in the East Village today for a little while.

Are you in NY or visiting?

Hey give them a call first, they may not have any there, best to be sure.

It is still a cool store to check out.