Making hiphop with the MPC

yeah everything was programmed on the mpc. i tracked it out in cubase, that's there some of the efffects are coming from.

as for the leaky basements being a limitation, i see what you mean. however, when i look at the music's origin, digging in trash and 1$ vinyl bins, i cant help but feel like the music's place is to prove that good stuff can come from a bad place...i don't like knowing that so much of the stuff we hear is co produced by a certain group of lab rats at some big studio...orchestrated for mass consumption. if gangsters are all so worried about authenticity (oh he's real god he got shot NINE TIMES) why do they listen to rappers and beats who have been cultivated into a state of pseudo talent?

i mean seriously..there are very few of us who would even begin to say that litltle johnathan is a good producer...but so many people have fallen into that trap. so many people. i blame it on the laziness of the listener. rap now more than ever cannot be spoon fed to you, the listener has to take an active role in discovering something a little better than what's on the surface value.

Antonym wrote:

I'd hardly say that was hip-hop.

hip hop enough to kick your ass, wait til you hear the version with vocals.....but unfortunately boom boom bap does not satisfy me. why not use the mpc's drum capabilities to their fullest potential? do something exciting...

and for the record, i've studied the music like a scholar and i feel this is more true to the hip hop ideal than any "crunk" music. in all my listening, i've decided that hip hop should stay out of big corporate studios. hip hop's true home is in some leaking basement. hip hop's true food is microwave pizza or ramen noodles. i respect dj kool herc and bambaataa so much more than some tool hip popper.

bridging the gap between hip hop, drum n bass and electronica is an essential step...be different, even if it costs you fans. progress the genre...premier's era is over. i love the man to death but it's 2005...nobody's still trying to emulate elvis's sound...

no disrespect. please don't take any at all. i am simply justifying myself as hip hop. regardless, did you like it?

'Crunk' music is the devils work. I **** despise that shit.

I completely agree with you about hip-hop, but I see a lot of hypocrisy in what you say about crunk not being hip-hop and yet the Premier era is over and we need to move on. Why is moving onto crunk not hip-hop, but blending hip-hop, drum n bass and electronic is hip-hop? It just doesn't add up. Furthermore, if you blend hip-hop, drum n bass and electronica you arent chancing hip-hop, you're making something entirely different.

Did I like it, though? Not really my thing, but I thought it was good yeah.

not if you are sampling dnb, electronica, etc. when you sample a jazz record, is your hip hop becoming jazz? we've got the most eclectic music in existence at our fingertips. crunk music is of the hip hop persuasion, but it doesn't really stay true to the original ideals.

but at this point very few forms of hip hop do, so i guess it's not worth discussing

Antonym wrote:not if you are sampling dnb, electronica, etc. when you sample a jazz record, is your hip hop becoming jazz?

Of course not, but that's not what you originally said. I agree with you somewhat in saying that hip-hop is the most eclectic genre we have. I feel that there is endless opportunities in hip-hop because of the way sampling is used. You can sample from any genre, any style, any country and make a hip-hop track. However, there are also some very strict rules in making hip-hop - such as tempo.

I f**king hate genres.
They are just words to group music together coz the human mind cant accept everything individually.
The things that usually distinguish a genre are;
The tempo, the way the track is Eq-ed (like hip hop traditionally has a bass heavy kick, etc), the style of the singing(or mc-ing in hip hop), the instruments used (however this one is pretty insignificant in modern music).

usually if its between 80 - 110-5 bpm, has a bass heavy kick and bassline (and some other mixing ish i cant remember now) and has someone rapping its hip hop. There are exceptions and genre boundries can be pretty subjective (up to the listener) and at the end of the day its usually what record labels and shops call it. Don't stress over it too much but i'd say that was hip hop styled Anto, and its cool your doing your own thing.

Most artists don't set out to make a 'hip hop record' or a 'pop record' or a 'grunge record' they just start writing the song and expressing themselves and it just comes out how it comes out.
If you wanna b specific every single song is a percentage of different styles, like '20% d'n'b, 70% hip hop, 10% r'n'b. Its that way because thats what the artist was influenced by. Most of my tracks are d'n'b /dance, prog rock, classical and hip hop influenced. I wouldnt like to label myself just hip hop coz its not, its my style, but as a large percentage of my music is made up of hip hop beats/tempo it gets classified as that.

for me there are only 2 kinds of music - good and bad

I hate this retarded old argument of "omg i h8 genres they just box everything in and limit the mind" **** that. whats the point in getting upset about it. genres are useful and thats that. i agree that the whole genre thing has gone overboard with about 12,000 subgenres per genre, but thats just certain people trying to credit themselves, or someone they like, with being unique when really its not