matching up loops tempos

i know how eveyone must hate these newbian questions, as ive been lurking around on here all winter comtemplating getting an mpc.
im a long time ableton live power user and am just slightly worried that i might miss being able to do these sort of things on the mpc.

i know the 1000 can make a "patched phrase" and slip all around any tempo and pitch range, but im wondering about whats involved in matching up two loops to the same bpm and then pitching them around to tune them to eachother

am i correct in assuming that you can make a few patched phrases and then layer them all up and tune 'em while keeping them all locked in time?

maby i can get you all to share how you all go about using patched phrase, or if you dont use it, tell how you get melodic and rythmic loops to all groove nicely without just browsing untill you find one that "works"
thanks

i definatly wanna get as far away from the puter as possible, even for sampling and editing loops, im gonna put a ton of effort at using the mpc for anything it wil let me do, software kills my creativity and i ALWAYS spend hours just noodling with synths and effects then wander into my porn folder and shoite and its so hard to make any real progress.

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synthburn wrote:software kills my creativity and i ALWAYS spend hours just noodling with synths and effects then wander into my porn folder and shoite and its so hard to make any real progress.

hahahaha.....speakin the truth right there!!!

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i take it most of you just chop eveything into hits and play it out by hand instead of using loops?

nope, pp's are nice to work with for a few freaky reasons, anyway...

i trim a loop, 2, 4 brs whatever.
mode+trim....play it a few times - tapping the bpm/tap tempo - get a close'ish tempo estimate,then f=chop, f=edit, f=patched phrase*. get a new seq, add the new pp/prog to the track, tap one hit at the top of the bar.

now the nice stuff is the fact that if u set the pp up (* the release i like best is 100!, because it tries to replicate the very last part of each slice in order to allow the 'seamless' transition btween slices. its a unique effect imho. but this also adds another quirk, as the samples are pitch/time independent to a degree, when assigned to a slider - realtime # - the samples play in a wierd new groove, each sample has its very own 'fingerprint' type of behaviour.

sorry to rant, just had to say,mbe its some info of use.

no, thats great, exactly the kinda response i was looking for, thanks

but are you saying when you change the temp or pitch of a patched phrase, it changes the timing of the loop?
i mean obviously if you change temo it will slow it down, but are you just refering to the dead space between each hit of the loop when you pp strech it?

realtime pitch (slider-qlink etc) shifts the sample pitch, but the rhythm retains the seq tempo* - the dead space is the bit that the 'release' setting in pp setup alters - if i read u correctly.

changing the seq tempo changes the pp tempo. but the default tempo of the pp can be set in mode+trim - i cant remember the actual Fkey tho' - i'm not at home right now, soz.

16 levels is useful, setting the 16lvls to 'pitch' for the pad that has the pp on it gives u diff pitch keys in a range around the original key. for riffs in time but at diff keys/pitches

all the chat recently requests for realtime timestretch -

its 'possible' right now in a way, if u set the seq tempo to slider 2, and the pp pitch to slider 1 or vice-versa, wabb the two sliders around, it tries to play the pp slower/faster, and simultaneously alters its pitch, that's realtime timestretch yeah?

holy shite thats a crazy idea!
i cant think immediatly how you would use that in a track but im sure you do do somthing nasty with it

im gonna go lay down 600 bucks at guitar center right now and then decide after if i wanna go for the 1000 or the 2500
would definatly do the 1000 cuz i wanna be able to roll around the house and work easily, but the thing with the shottdy pads has been freaking me out for months i dont know..

hi arebee and thanks for all of your tips in this area, when you said you can set up 16 levels for pitch, how are you doing that, when I hit the 16 levels button it gives me different velocities but not pitch.

nah, it does, hit '16levels', hit the pad with the sample u wanna mess with, then just put the cursor to the field that says velocity, turn the data wheel to select pitch instead (decay, attack are options too), then choose the pad for original pitch, just follow your nose.

then once its set, your off.