Need help syncing Venom synth midi keyboard with MPC1000 HEL

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Need help syncing Venom synth midi keyboard with MPC1000 HEL

By malibusteve70 Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:04 am
I'm racking my brain over here. So I just got this M audio Venom keyboard. Trying to sync it with my MPC. I have the midi out going from MPC to Midi in on keyboard and Midi in going from MPC to keyboard out.

I am not able to hear any sounds from the keyboard when headphones are plugged into MPC but I can see when in the sync screen on the MPC in the notes tab, that it is registering notes. Now, do I need to have both plugged into a mixer so that they are playing into one set of speakers? I dont know how this isn't working? I thought it would be an easy setup? Please help the noob, please?
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Re: Need help syncing Venom synth midi keyboard with MPC1000

By Metatron72 Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:09 am
malibusteve70 wrote:Now, do I need to have both plugged into a mixer so that they are playing into one set of speakers?


Yes.

MIDI is just note trigger and controller data, no audio. You could also plug the Venom's audio outs into the MPC if you want to sample it into the 1000.
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Re: Need help syncing Venom synth midi keyboard with MPC1000

By Lampdog Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:41 am
Audio and midi don't travel the same cables, they are different and have different routes.

Midi is not audio.

To hear audio from BOTH pieces of gear plug your headphones into the mixer.
Both pieces of gear need to have audio going into that mixer.
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Re: Need help syncing Venom synth midi keyboard with MPC1000

By Lampdog Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:40 pm
Specifically.

Venom audio out -> mixer.
mpc audio out -> mixer.

malibusteve70 wrote:I have the midi out going from MPC to Midi in on keyboard and Midi in going from MPC to keyboard out.

This is good already. You may have to mess with midi settings in each peice of gear though.

Mixer audio out -> speakers.

Re: Need help syncing Venom synth midi keyboard with MPC1000

By malibusteve70 Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:33 am
Okay, thought I was getting somewhere and that just threw me for a loop lol.

So how would that work then?

So maybe this:

Venom:Midi Out>MPC: Midi in
MPC:Midi out>Venom: Midi in
MPC & Venom: Audio out>Mixer
Mixer:audio out>Venom: Aux in/instrument/microphone in?
Venom:USB>PC(Ableton)

I know I sound like a complete noob idiot but forums are the place to learn and share knowledge, yeah? Sorry in advance. I really appreciate the help
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Re: Need help syncing Venom synth midi keyboard with MPC1000

By Lampdog Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:02 am
Venom:Midi Out>MPC: Midi in :nod:

MPC:Midi out>Venom: Midi in :nod:

MPC & Venom: Audio out>Mixer :nod:

Mixer:audio out>Venom: Aux in/instrument/microphone in?
Venom:USB>PC(Ableton) Why do this? venom audio to mixer audio to venom aux will create an audio loop, that's a big problem.

What specific type of mixer do you have?
Mixer audio out -> pc soundcard (again depends on the type of mixer/audio interface you may have)

No sorry needed big man.

Me:

Triton keyboard -> audio interface.
mpc 4k -> audio interface.
audio interface -> pc daw software.

Re: Need help syncing Venom synth midi keyboard with MPC1000

By malibusteve70 Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:25 am
Dude, lampdog, you are the man!

I'll be getting a AMERICAN AUDIO Q-D5, it's used so I have the option of returning it. Thinking maybe I should of gotten a mixer with USB out or audio interface? What audio interface are you using? This one any good?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Focusrite-Scarl ... 43b73a08fc

Also, just wondering when/how the Venom being a sound module comes in to play in this whole equation?
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Re: Need help syncing Venom synth midi keyboard with MPC1000

By Lampdog Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:47 am
SAME as me, your venom can be used the same way I use my triton.
keyboard and sound module.

I midi my kybd and mpc4k the same you described up above.

I can trigger my mpc pads from kybd keys and/or the other way around. You can do the same thing when you take some time to learn the midi settings of your machines.
I always use my mpc as sequencer. My pc daw is used for audio tracking. I never sequence inside the computer, that's why my midi cables don't touch/not connected to my audio interface at all.

My audio interface can break out it's channels inside the pc daw. That's why I was saying it depends on the interface/mixer you have/will get.

Some are both mixer and interface and can break out the inputs to channels in daws.

So you'll be getting a pro scratch mixer then, you'll need a computer sound card/interface with inputs if you wanna get audio inter your computer then. Mixer audio out -> audio interface/soundcard.

http://www.zzounds.com/item--ALEMM8USBFX

For example this mixer is also a usb audio interface.
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Re: Need help syncing Venom synth midi keyboard with MPC1000

By Lampdog Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:31 pm
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8-channel mixer with mic, line, and guitar-level inputs
16-bit, 44.1/48kHz stereo USB output for easy recording and playback from your computer
XLR inputs with gain trim, switchable high-pass filters, and 48V phantom power
1/4" line-level inputs for instruments and high-impedance guitar input for direct-connecting guitars
Powerful EQ: 3-band with sweepable parametric mids on channels 1 and 2, three-band on 3 and 4, two-band on 5 - 8
Built-in DSP effects with footswitch bypass control and AUX buss for external processing
Multicolor LED metering for visual level feedback
Main and headphone outputs with independent level controls
Class compliant, plug-and-play USB for Mac and PC interface without installing drivers
Includes Cubase LE software
Includes
MultiMix 8 USB FX mixer
USB cable
Power supply
Software CD
Quick start guide
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INPUTS: Line (CH 1, 2): 10 KΩ input impedance
5.5 mV ~ 4.9 V RMS sensitivity for max output
Mic (CH 1, 2): 600 Ω input impedance balanced
700 mV RMS sensitivity for max output
Line (CH 3, 4): 700 mV RMS sensitivity for max output
HPF (CH 1, 2): 200 Hz (-1 dB), 80 Hz (-3 dB), 20 Hz (-24 dB)

OUTPUTS: Line: 7 V RMS max
Headphone: 0.5 W into 47 Ω

SIGNAL-TO-NOISE RATIO: Line: > 92 dB
(max output; JIS A-weighted) Mic: > 62 dB

DISTORTION: < 0.02%

FREQUENCY RESPONSE: Line: 20 Hz – 20 kHz (± 0.5 dB), Mic: 20 Hz – 15 kHz (± 0.5 dB)

CHANNEL EQUALIZER: Bass: ± 14 dB @ 80 Hz, Treble: ± 14 dB @ 12 kHz

CHANNEL FADER KILL: > 90 dB @ 1 kHz

CROSSTALK: > 85 dB @ 1 kHz

INTERFACE: USB1.1 or higher (stereo in and stereo out)

POWER ADAPTER: 10 V AC, 500 mA

Weight: 1.5lb

Dimensions: 7 3/4 L x 6 W x 2"H
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Alesis MultiMix 16 USB 2.0 Compact Tabletop Mixer at a Glance:

USB connectablility, digital clarity
Digital effects, 3-band EQ
Plenty of analog I/O


USB connectablility, digital clarity
The MultiMix 16 USB 2.0 mixer features 24-bit/44.1-96kHz operation with high-end D/A an A/D conversion, providing an amazingly high-quality signal path. Compatible with Mac OS X and Windows, this compact mixer uses USB 2.0 technology to output a high-bandwith signal to your computer.

Digital effects, feature-packed EQ
100 studio-grade, 28-bit digital effects give the MultiMix 16 USB 2.0 mixer some powerful signal-processing power. This tabletop unit also features 3-band EQ with high/low shelving and mid band pass/reject on each channel - plus switchable 75Hz highpass filters - for some serious tone-tweaking ability.

Plenty of analog I/O
The MultiMix 16 USB 2.0 is loaded with great analog mixer features, such as 16 direct inputs for recording, two inputs for monitoring, and high-gain, phantom-powered mic/line inputs, aux send, stereo aux return, separate balanced main and monitor outs, and a headphone out. Smooth 60mm faders provide precise, comfortable control.

Alesis MultiMix 16 USB 2.0 Mixer Features:

18 direct inputs for recording
Two return inputs for monitoring
High-gain mic/line (XLR and 1/4" balanced) inputs with phantom power, two stereo balanced 1/4"
Switchable 75Hz highpass filters
100 28-bit onboard preset effects including reverbs, delays, chorus, flanging, pitch, and multi-effects
3-band EQ per channel with high/low shelving and mid band pass/reject
24-bit/44.1 to 96kHz operation with high-end A/D and D/A conversion through an integrated USB 2.0 audio interface
Line inputs, aux send (to onboard or external effects), stereo aux return
Separate 1/4" balanced main and monitor outs, headphone out
Compatible with Mac OS X and Windows XP
Steinberg Cubase LE included
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The AUDIOGRAM Series has been carefully designed to make setting up your computer-based recording environment an absolute breeze. Coming as a complete kit, the AUDIOGRAM6 and AUDIOGRAM3 each bundle together a hardware interface that adds audio inputs and outputs to your computer, software for recording and producing music, and a USB cable for connecting the audio interface. As such, either package will instantly turn your computer into a powerful yet intuitive tool for recording and editing audio from virtually any microphone or audio input device. What's more, setup is as easy as installing the bundled music-production application, CUBASE AI, on your computer and connecting the audio interface using the USB cable provided! You're then ready to connect instruments, microphones, CD players, MP3 players, and even old record or tape players for recording straight into CUBASE AI.
Audio Interface Also With Mixer Functionality

MIC/INST select buttons

With the AUDIOGRAM6, you get a powerful mixer-type audio interface with two mono input channels and two stereo input channels. Each of the two mono channels features combo-type connectors for direct connection of a wide range of sound input devices. And because you can change the input sensitivity of each channel for direct connection of electric guitars and basses with a push of the MIC/INST select buttons, there's no need to study up on impedance and other specialist recording topics.
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Even if you're a newcomer to the world of audio recording, setting up your own computerbased studio couldn't be easier with the AUDIOGRAM6. The audio interface has been designed with ease-of-use as a prime requirement, and you only need to set the input sensitivity and output volume before you can start recording. Using the GAIN knobs, simply adjust the sensitivity of the input channel to a level at which its PEAK lamp does not come on. In the same way, you set the master output volume using the MASTER knob, making sure that the left and right PEAK lamps do not light.
Mic Preamps For High-Quality Recordings

PHANTOM buttons

The AUDIOGRAM6 comes complete with high-quality microphone preamps on its two mono input channels, one of which can even supply 48-V phantom power to accommodate condenser microphones. Using this type of microphone, you can record narration and spoken word for podcasts, make studio-quality recordings of acoustic guitars, and much more.
Setting Compression Has Never Been Easier

COMP Knobs

Unlike normal compressors, which can be very difficult to adjust, the 1-knob compressors on the AUDIOGRAM6 are super simple. As the name suggests, you can adjust compression for smoother and more balanced recordings using just a single knob. Particularly when recording acoustic guitar, electric bass, and vocals, this intuitive feature will make your recordings much more stable and professional sounding.
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DAW Knob

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USB Bus-Powered Interface

Powered via USB, the AUDIOGRAM6 requires no external power supply. As long as your computer is powered up and connected via the bundled USB cable, the interface will be fully functional, making it ideal for mobile situations or when few power sockets are available.
Specs
Size/Weight
Dimensions Width 170mm (6-3/4")
Height 59mm (2-3/8")
Depth 192mm (7-5/8")
Weight Weight 770g (1.7 lbs.)
General Specifications
Sampling Frequency Rate USB AUDIO 1.1, 16bit/44.1kHz
Storage and Connectivity
Connectivity Headphones Stereo Phone connector x 1
Microphone Mic/Hi-Z input x 2
LINE OUT Phone connector x 2 (L, R)
USB TO HOST USB (TO HOST)
Power Supply
Power Supply USB powered
System Requirements
Windows PC <Windows® Vista>Windows-based computer with built-in USB interface <Windows® XP>Windows-based computer with built-in USB interface
CPU <Windows® Vista>1 GHz or better Intel Core / Pentium / Celeron processor <Windows® XP>750 MHz or better Intel Core / Pentium / Celeron processor
Support OS Windows Vista / Windows XP Professional / XP Home Edition
Memory <Windows® Vista>More than 1 GB <Windows® XP>More than 128 MB
Macintosh PC Macintosh computer with built-in USB interface
CPU Intel CPU / Macintosh G3 processor 300 MHz or better
Support OS Mac OS X 10.3.3 or higher
Memory More than 128 MB
Accessories
Included Accessories Cable USB Cable
Others CUBASE AI DVD, Owners Manual
Effects
Types Dynamic 1-knob Compressor (COMP) x 2
Storage and Connectivity
Connectivity LINE IN Phone connector x 4 (L/MONO x 2, R x 2)

There are MANY more out there, you just gotta look around for what you want.

Me I didn't care to have a physical mixer with sliders so I'm using an audio interface, RME UFX. My mixer is on screen if I want.
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http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_fireface_ufx.php

Re: Need help syncing Venom synth midi keyboard with MPC1000

By malibusteve70 Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:37 pm
Awesome, as always, thanks for the info.

So looks like the original Multimix 8 you posted is USB 1 and 16bit recording, does that make a big difference? And then there is a multimix 8 USB 2.0 at 24 bit. I'm no pro however I do want to get the best sound and transfer rate with as low latency as possible.
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