24 programs limitation

I enjoy having plenty of Drum Kits loaded in my mpc.
But why did they put such a low number of programs limitation ?

I think I'm going to work on my programs to have other kits storred in pad banks B, C and D,
but It's not like pad bank A :
I like to test all my kits while I'm working on a sequence, just to see how it would sound like with other programs. But this is only effective with the kits stored in pad bank A...

I did not manage to transpose a seq to match other pad banks...
Did you ?

Or maybe someone as another technic to bypass this limitation ?

i dont get what your saying......

yeah working with your kits in banks b c d will offer you 48 more sounds that you can load up. if you hit the other bank buttons you'll be able to hear the sounds? as long as you load the sounds up all in one program you'll have 64 available sounds you can work with 16 x the four banks.

i often run out of pgm space because i do something similar to you.
when i run out, i just delete the ones i know i don't want. just start narrowing down.

i don't understand how someone can run out of pgm space. you can effectively load 1536 sounds all together. so i don't think 24 pgms is such a low limitation.

"But why did they put such a low number of programs limitation ? "

Try using an MPC60, MPC3000, MPC2000.

24 programs is literally a gift from the gods. If you hit a 24 program limit then you are not using best practices for program/sample management.


"you can effectively load 1536 sounds all together"

I think it is more like 6144: 24*60*4

mpc3000 wrote:"you can effectively load 1536 sounds all together"

I think it is more like 6144: 24*60*4

16 pads X 4 banks = 64 sounds X 24 pgms = 1536. that's if you don't layer. if you do layer 4 sounds per pad, then you have 4 sounds per pad X 4 banks = 256 sounds per pgm X 24 pgms = 6144. i was just saying that if you don't layer cuz not everyone does. but you're right. that's even more of a reason why it would be crazy to say 24 pgms is such a limitation.

Hmmn too much time on his hands and not enough experience to know whats what? To each his own.

the problem of running out of pgm space is a symptom of the 1k's large pgm limit.

rather than building new pgms with every song, i think a lot of us use programs we've already made (ie my sample pgms) and pick and chose from those.

i might take a snare from one and a kick from the other, hi hat from a third and shakers from a fourth. unfortunately, though, this adds up - particularly when you've got a bunch of other samples.

i agree, it's poor pgm usage, and one would better to just build a new pgm for drums wtih every song. this is where the pad parameter copy fcn of the new 1k os will come in handy. sparq, have you messed with it yet? i hope you can copy 1 pad from pgm to pgm, because this will solve any problem of running out of pgm space. i'll be able to make 1 drum pgm and delete 5, freeing up a LOT of space.

out of curiousity, what was the pgm limit of the older mpcs?

I had a 2000 classic and if i remember correctly that uses 1 program at a time. however they were able to have 24 loaded but only 1 sequenced(per beat). i could be wrong but i don t recall ever using multiple programs per sequence.

wow, i can't imagine that...i mean i know people made it work but damn that would SUCK RICHARD

that's a feature of the mpc i think that is slept on in the whole 2000xl or 1000 debate

24 programs is more than enough. Outstanding music has been made on ALOT less.

people want to much. and/or like what was said, they don't understand
the management of space.

with proper use of the hard drive and the ability to audition sounds before loading into a program, you can in fact use only one pgm for an entire song.

that would certainly make tracking out a lot easier.

but unfortunately i often use waaay more than 64 sounds in one song

here's a question - say you make a sample pgm of a zoned sample. now, you have another sample you want to zone. can you tell the mpc to place the new zoned sample in to the sample pgm's pad bank B instead of creating a whole new pgm for it? please say yes, please dont' tell me that each zoning insists upon making a brand new pgm

Ok

From a "song production" point of view I approve all the things you're saying and know there are many ways to manage correctly the mpc's memory.

But I'm just having fun right now to make a maximum small beats in an autoload file in order to have them ready when I turn on my mpc, and to have fun scrathing with my turntable...

Having 24 programs in memory = having 24 kits in memory, because I like to work on existing sequences : I just test the kits loaded in memory to find the one sounding the best, then I modify the sequence a little bit, playing with pads and note repeat.

I think the solutions to my problem are :
- either to use beat loops assigned to pads
- make new beats using bank B, C and D

The biggest problem is that I'm too lazy to make my programs...

sparq wrote:with proper use of the hard drive and the ability to audition sounds before loading into a program, you can in fact use only one pgm for an entire song.

yes you can do it with one sample................

por ejemplo (for example):
bank a: drums and vocal samples
bank b: bass multisamples
bank c: other instrument multisamples
bank d: loops

rarely do i used bank d i normally stop on c. but the only way i have really ran out of samples is mpc jamming with some friends and keeping the beats on going like a mix.and what do i do when i hit my max? let my other firend take the solo. Turn off my blue baby and start loading up more kits i have made.

but if you are in a studio environment then this becomes an issue of sample and space management. if you can't get to this then putting songs together will be a bumpy ride.