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By HIDALGO Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:57 am
Hey everyone,
I am interested in purchasing a sampler with midi capability, either the MPC 1000 or the Korg ES-1 Sampler/Sequencer. I would like to know your thoughts, opinions, on a comparison between the two. I recently was on www.turntablelab.com, and one writer had this to say about the Korg ES-1.... ( Sorry for the long post)

"Want to make beats, but don't want to drop your pay check on the expensive MPC? This is an excellent solution. The ES-1 is Korg's sequencer and sampler in one, at less than half the cost of an MPC. Beginners and experts alike will find the ES-1 a quality beatmaking tool. Read the full Lab review by Luke who is an MPC owner.

Introduction
For the budding beat producer on a budget, the Korg ES-1 cannot be beat – dollar for dollar it offers way more than the Akai MPC and the other units in that price range. Although the MPC remains the gold standard for sampler sequencers, it also remains out of the price range for most people who only want to explore the possibility of being the next DJ Shadow.

Construction and Layout
Out of the box, the ES-1’s light weight makes it feel like a toy, but don’t be fooled- this is a full featured piece of equipment. This unit bristles with controls and is a little claustrophobic upon initial examination. However, the rubber-coated rotary controls feel great and are intelligently laid out, leaving you with more than enough room between them. The huge advantage here is that this is very portable and more solidly constructed than the MPC, making it an excellent travel companion.

Sampling, Sequencing, and Effects
The pre-loaded samples and patterns exercise the unit’s capabilities to the fullest and you can tweak them to your heart’s content, giving you a great starting point. Once you outgrow the presets, recording and creating new samples is easily accomplished using the built-in sampler.
Once you have the sounds, you have several options for beat making. You can build patterns using the beat by beat step-edit function, punch them in live, or record over and build upon patterns which were created using either method. These options are pretty much standard for sequencers, but the ES-1 easily distinguishes itself with its effects. Korg, which is known for its quality effects, includes a wide range of effects that sound great, and can be recorded over patterns or triggered live. So for less than half the cost of a used MPC you get a sampler-sequencer that allows you to build complicated patterns that can be strung together for complete songs and layered with saved or live effects. For a price comparison, the effects module of the MPC costs close to this entire unit.

Output and Saving
When you are satisfied with your work or want to come back to it later, the ES-1 conveniently uses the highly compact and affordable CompactFlash media cards. In addition the ES-1 is AIFF and WAV compatible, both of which are standards for digital music files.

Growth
For the beginner that graduates to serious, this unit allows you to grow thanks to its MIDI capabilities and easy integration with the rest of Korg’s Electribe line – Analog Modeling Synth, Music Production Station, Rhythm Synth, and Kaos Pad – all of which are just as great and affordable.

In-Depth Information for Advanced Users
Now, the nitty gritty. Songs are the top-level construct and you can save up to 16 songs in the internal memory. Songs are made up of as many as 256 Patterns arranged for playback. Any more than that requires a memory card. A Pattern has 12 parts and a maximum of 64 steps. A Pattern’s Parts are as follows: 9 Samples, 1 Slice Sample, 1 Audio In, and 1 Accent. Another Part controls the pitch/speed, filter, level, pan, and whether the sample is played in reverse or in a roll (sample is repeatedly triggered at a set interval). There is also Swing option for Pattern sequencing to loosen up your beats.

Next, the effects. They may be digital and integrated, but to get an effects processor that sounds better than any one of the effects (let alone all of them), you’re going to have to lay out close to the cost of the ES-1. Effects are triggered one at a time and can be recorded to a pattern as a Motion Sequence or tweaked live. Available effects are: Reverb, Flanger/Chorus, Ring Modulation, Phaser, Pitch Shifter, Compressor, Distortion, Decimator (sample-rate reduction AKA distortion), Isolator, Resonant Filter, and Wah. The depth, rate, and level of the effect are controlled by two knobs. There is an entirely separate delay featuring its own depth, time parameters and a BPM sync function.
Although sampling sounds is a little more involved than in a higher-end unit, there are only a few more steps at most; meaning that live capture and playback is totally doable. The ES-1 has re-sampling capabilities, and samples can be edited on and loaded from your computer thanks to he memory card. A Slice function splits up a mono sampled loop based on its accents, not a simple sub-division based on sample length, so you can change the tempo without altering the pitch. This works best on a sample with clearly defined attacks – think big bass and drum hits."

Please let me know what you think. :lol:

By MPC_Producer Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:16 am
There is no comparison between these two products. You have got to decide which one has the functionality that better suits your needs. Or you have to buy both of them and sync the ES-1 to the MPC1000.

By HIDALGO Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:38 am
Do you feel they do different functions? It sound close to the same to me. I thought the ES-1 actually has a reverse sample indicactor, as compared to the MPC-1000 which does not. For me, the price difference of $399.00 to $867.00 is double and it sounds like the MPC tends to crash a lot. I dont know, like you said, I will have to go to GC and compare.

Any other inputs on this subject?

By mpc3000 Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:11 am
"Any other inputs on this subject? "

Sure.

Need to sequence external gear?
Need more than 3.7 Meg memory?
Need more than 2 outputs?
Need more filters?
Need digital I/O?
Need multiple midi outs?
Need more sequencing power?
Need visual editing?
Need more than 12 tracks?

If you answered yes to any of these, then the ES is not for you.

I find the ES to be more like an SP than an MPC (yes, I have owned them all).
By LabWorkz Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:20 am
Korg ES-1 is no where I repeat no where near as advanced as the MPC 1000! One of my homies have a Korg ES-1 and it limits u to so much. The MPC 1000 would be a better buy no doubt. Who in da hell said that the ES-1 is in the same league as the MPC 1000? Who every said that needs to be slapped with a rusty sack of nickles. U would be dumb as hell to buy a ES-1 over a MPC 1000. The ES-1 can't compare it's for a Beginner's. If u found interest in producing last week then the ES-1 is just right for you!

By Toecutter Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:30 am
I can almost swear I read that review, I think a magazine printed it like months before the mpc1000 even came out. It's not a bad machine but an MPC Is like the BMW of sampling drum machines... crafted to perfection and factory built for fun... ask anyone at this forum...
By HIDALGO Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:31 pm
Thanks for the input fellas, time to save for the MPC 1000.
God Bless!
Hidalgo

1k

By LabWorkz Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:00 pm
Ya HIDALGO save up for the MPC 1000 that's your best bet!
By holger honda Mon Dec 22, 2003 6:51 pm
I had the korg for a while heres my big complaint:
Truncating your own samples is a mess.The wheel does not step in increments wich means you have to turn the wheel abou 300 turns to cut off a too long sample at the beginning or end.Youll find yourelf rotating that little wheel for half of the time.
By co2 Mon Dec 22, 2003 7:21 pm
Holger have you try to use the "Shift" while turning the weel ?! :wink:

By thynctank Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:04 am
The ES-1 is a nice simple sampler, and the editing capabilities tend to work faster than on MPC using Shift as co2 just mentioned.

It is only 32 KHz which means some nominal loss in sound quality (if that matters to you) and has far less sample space, but the effects are programmable to sweep over time and resampling loops couldn't be easier. The auto beat slicing on the unit is questionable but works for choppy effects. I used mine primarily as an on-the-go unit and added a battery pack to it, I've used it beside pools and in the car. Good times, indeed. I also used it as a sound module programmed from my MPC.

And then there's 16-beat matrix programming which no one's mentioned, that's always a fast way for laying out ideas.

Anyway, just a few thoughts. I'll be getting rid of my ES-1 shortly, anybody interested knows how to get in touch.

Peace,
-tank.

By pad-ophiliac Mon May 16, 2005 9:08 pm
ES-1 is a joke compared to the mpc1k. sh*t, i can say the same about the korg ESX-1, tubes and all. thats what i traded in for my 1k, best descision i ever made. like everything in life, you get what you pay for. save up and get the 1k, you won't be dissapointed.

peace

By Renegade Mon May 16, 2005 10:18 pm
MPC 1000 = hip hop
Korg E series = techno

of course you can do both but they were built with genre's in mind...