Recording Main Out? Best way

you shouldn´t set master to 0 unless you know what your doing..

it is set down by default by a reason.
Because you need headroom when lots of samples is played.. if you don´t have headroom the clipping a cours.

The reason why you imagine the lower power in snares etc is beacuse the volume is lower..
Try to normalize after resampling...

cheers...

oh yeah i forgot...

i think when you resample with in the mpc you have some sort of conversion of the sound... not shure what is happening but that could tribute to the loss of soundquality

blippo wrote:you shouldn´t set master to 0 unless you know what your doing..

it is set down by default by a reason.
Because you need headroom when lots of samples is played.. if you don´t have headroom the clipping a cours.

The reason why you imagine the lower power in snares etc is beacuse the volume is lower..
Try to normalize after resampling...

cheers...

By default what default you set your defaults yourself in the MPC with Init Params.

7 1 4 Beats wrote:By default what default you set your defaults yourself in the MPC with Init Params.

Yes of course you set your params yourself, but there is default that was set when shipped from factory...
If you hold erase when power on, the params will be set to this.(Factory reset)
Then you will notice that the Master level is set to -12db

Why do think they put the master on -12? because if it was set to 0 every one who bought it and didn´t know "common music knowledge" would say that there is a malfunction on their mpc cause the sound is clipping/distorting.

Now, if you read what i previusly wrote, i put an explanition of why they did it.
You need headroom.(meaning that sound on sound adds up so that the signal becomes stronger "higher" more db..

If you pass headroom with your signal(sound) it will be distorted/clipped

there for you need to lower the total signal with the master level so that you ceep your signal under the of headrooms roof.

Every single one of my MPC's has never said 0 but your probably right. I jsut know that all of my friends with XL's they all have their's set to 0 or +6 when they record and never had any clipping problems but then again we all use Mbox2 and the pre's suck ass..

7 1 4 Beats wrote:Every single one of my MPC's has never said 0 but your probably right.

Thats what i mean.. it says -12

7 1 4 Beats wrote:I jsut know that all of my friends with XL's they all have their's set to 0 or +6 when they record and never had any clipping problems but then again we all use Mbox2 and the pre's suck ass..

Don´t you mean 0 or -6?

Nah we use 0 or +6 for various reasons.

If you are hearing clipping when internally recording the main out with the MASTER set to 0dB, then the best thing to do is turn down all of your levels an equal amount in the MIXER.

The reason for this is that the sum of all the sounds playing is causing the clipping. Even though you may not hear the clipping when you are just listening to your song through headphones or main out, the MPC is peaking and causing distortion. It's just that analog distortion is not as noticeable as digital clipping, but they are both caused by levels that are too high.

So... the digital clipping that you hear when you internally record the main out is just the digital version of the analog overloading that was there the whole time. Turn everything down in the mixer, or I guess you could just turn down your master level, but personally I like to leave the master at 0dB and use the mixer to adjust everything.

blippo wrote:you shouldn´t set master to 0 unless you know what your doing..

it is set down by default by a reason.
Because you need headroom when lots of samples is played.. if you don´t have headroom the clipping a cours.

The reason why you imagine the lower power in snares etc is beacuse the volume is lower..
Try to normalize after resampling...

cheers...

Thanks for your help.

I see your point but the fact is that the orignal sample that I'm trying to resample with adding eq and compression has already been normalized. So that may be the reason why the resampled one sounds not so louder even after being normalized again...

But it's still a bit confusing for me that I can not record EXACTLY what I'm hearing ?! I explain : if I normalize the sample at 0db, then add some eq and a compressor with the threshold set at -6db, I logically couldn't here it louder !? Or it is but not after being recorded !! What the f*** am I missing ? That leads me to one simple question : normalizing for the MPC 1000 means normalizing at 0db ?

My problem is that drums tracks does not sounds as powerful as I wanted them to. So what's the solution ?
Always doing beats at 0db and overmixing drum tracks while lowering samples ? Maybe...How do you proceed ?

Layer your drums & filter your drums & add some attack & decay.

Baltic362 wrote:But it's still a bit confusing for me that I can not record EXACTLY what I'm hearing ?! I explain : if I normalize the sample at 0db, then add some eq and a compressor with the threshold set at -6db, I logically couldn't here it louder !? Or it is but not after being recorded !! What the f*** am I missing ? That leads me to one simple question : normalizing for the MPC 1000 means normalizing at 0db ?

My problem is that drums tracks does not sounds as powerful as I wanted them to. So what's the solution ?
Always doing beats at 0db and overmixing drum tracks while lowering samples ? Maybe...How do you proceed ?

This is wildcard but can it be that after you put on the compressor you turn your volume knob up?

If you do, try this
After setting the threshold use gain to compensate for the volume loss...
so when you turn on and off the compressor the volume is the same..
On computers you have the levelmeter to look at, but here you need your ears..

Well if you just want a song from you MPC onto the computer you can avoid recording completely and just convert the MPC files AIFF using this http://www.versiontracker.com/php/dlpag ... c2aiff.sit

interesting...
How does it work?

But not al have macs...

You just drag and drop and it converts, However this is true many have Windows but im sure if you looked you could find a similar windows program.

TBonus76 wrote:If you are hearing clipping when internally recording the main out with the MASTER set to 0dB, then the best thing to do is turn down all of your levels an equal amount in the MIXER.

I second that. I don't have a 1000 but the 60 and xl. Somebody mentioned that it's a good idea to lower all sound volumes to half in the mixer page BEFORE you start sequencing. I have been doing that ever since. You might end up with a tiny fraction more noise from the machine but you have much more room to up quieter sounds.

Having said that, I tried resampling the main outs in a music store and i also came across the problem that it sounded a bit dull compared to the original. I hope you guys have got that sorted with lowering the mixer levels since I am tempted getting a 1000 for the extra functionality.