Timing Problem

LaJProd,

It is no supprise that you find the timing to be off on the MPC1000 VS the Triton. It's not a matter of some mysterious mojo. Just look at the specs:

Triton sequencer resolution: 192 ppq
MPC1000 sequencer resolution: 96 ppq (same as all MPCs besides 4000 at 960)

96 ppq quantization can be quite noticable at lower tempos. It's also a lot more noticable if you use all well-defined single percussion sounds (contemporary hiphop style) as opposed to a mix of loops, chops, and drum hits off vinyl (old school).

The Triton has the same resolution you get if you use the double-up trick on the MPCs.

I'm thinking of going MPC4000 because of the sequencer resolution thing. It was fine for what I bought the 1k for, but now I want to have more possibilites as far as what I am able to do with a MPC and no computer. Unfortunately for me the 2500 will be 96ppq also.

Do you guys think I would have the same problem if I got a 2000XL?...I have read on here that some people had the same timing problem on the 1k but not on a 2000XL!!!!

YES MPC 1000 TIMING IS OFF ,ITS TO TIGHT OR SOMETHING ELSE, I CAN MAKE BEAT ON THE MPC 1000, COME OUT ALRIGHT WHEN DOING DEEP HOUSE,BUT HIP-HOP DOES NOT FEEL RIGHT. TO PROVE MYSELF RIGHT I CAME ACROSS MPC 2000 FOR 399 AT LOCAL PAWN SHOW, SO I GOT IT, WHEN I MADE BEAT ON(HOUSE AND HIP-HOP) IT FLOW MUCH BETTER THAN THE 1000,THE BEAT CAME OUT RIGHT ,THE WAY I HIT THE PADS. SO THERE IS SIGHT PROBLEM WITH THE MPC 1000 TIMING

Well I just bought a 2000XL so it looks like the 1k is gonna go....Thanks for the help everyone and wish me luck with my new MPC....haha!!!!

LaJProd wrote:Well I just bought a 2000XL so it looks like the 1k is gonna go....Thanks for the help everyone and wish me luck with my new MPC....haha!!!!

let us know how you find the 2xl compared to the 1k. I'm curious. Cats thought I was all types of crazy and got on my back like a bunch of wronged retards for saying there was differences and wanting to switch because.

I just got my MPC1000 yesterday and I'm finding the timing to seem to be Awful. I figure I will read the manual and play with it a little more to see what happens. Considering the 2500 is coming I might be making a return and just kicking out some more cash for a 2500.

the timing is not off, This was dissused a long time ago, you have to set the swing a little higher than what you are use to it you use those settings, BUt I use 1/16(3) or I use 1/8 with a swing of about 55-56 double time and I always get my drums where I need them to be, what I think it is, is a lack of rhythum which is a hard thing to learn, I'm not pro at making beats, but i have been in bands since the 4th grade and as with anything in life timing is everything.

this is absolutely crazy...i mean no offense but can you guys actually keep a beat? i have removed any use of TC whatsoever, and STILL even my most intricate hi hat patterns are recorded exactly as i played them.

i don't understand what the issue is here. maybe you should all try removing TC and just nudging stuff back into place when it's more off than you'd want?

I hate to have to spell this out again but I HAVE BEEN PRODUCING FOR 5 YEARS....If I can't keep a beat then everyone whoever bought tracks from me or wanted to work with me is crazy....I had a bad mpc, its a FACT....I tried every setting and every other thing possible....Could make beats on the one in GC but not my own....Compared settings with the one in GC and they were the same....Let other producers try, same problem....It is possible to have a bad machine I mean come on, we are talking about Akai!!!!

there are more people complaining about this than just you, i trust that there are bad mpcs. my first 1k was shit, so i exchanged it.

however, from what i can tell from being a part of these boards since last december is that this is not a reoccurring issue - which is why i question many similar posts.

Antonym wrote:there are more people complaining about this than just you, i trust that there are bad mpcs. my first 1k was ****, so i exchanged it.

however, from what i can tell from being a part of these boards since last december is that this is not a reoccurring issue - which is why i question many similar posts.

ok I see where your coming from....It sucks that this happens but it just so happens that I got a messed up machine....The timing isn't really the only issue, it was just that one that was pissing me off the most....I am sure when my 2000XL arrives (probably in about 3 days) I will be cool and back on track!!!!

Would love to hear an audio file from the 2000 and the 1K using same settings. I've owned both and not heard a difference. Admittedly, not owned them both together and usually program beats with TC off. Usually Shadow type beats rather than IDM / glitchy stuff.

G4s

Well I got my 2000XL today and so far, everything seems perfect....I knew that the timing was messed up on my 1k and it wasn't just me....Hooked up the XL, recorded with TC off and everything played back fine in time the way I played it....Thanks for all the advice but it looks like I will be good with the XL and I can now get back to work....Damn messed up 1k threw my vibe off!!!!

I have a 1k and a 4k. And in all honesty some of you cats just have no rhythum. I can hear the difference from me baning a 1k and a 4k, but the problem seems to be that the 1k is damn near perfect. Its to good. but some of you need to get some rhytum, because banging out drums should be this hard.

bhunt wrote:I have a 1k and a 4k. And in all honesty some of you cats just have no rhythum. I can hear the difference from me baning a 1k and a 4k, but the problem seems to be that the 1k is damn near perfect. Its to good. but some of you need to get some rhytum, because banging out drums should be this hard.

Rhythm is not the problem....Once again, I have a brooking 1k....This is a fact....I also do everything with time correct off now that I have an MPC that works properly....If your a real producer, you shouldn't need TC because you would know how to keep time in any time signuture....4/4, 3/4, etc!!!!