1000 is not capable

sharing some thoughts thats all.

I'm not going to get involved in this (thou I do like the sound of low res samplers, especially if they have analog envelopes and filters) but I was just wondering --

I seem to remember a previous incarnation of this type of thread (and there's been a million of 'em) in which a perceived difference in the 1000's sound as compared to one of the other MPCs (can't remember which) was traced to some software EQ curve default or something like that. I can't remember what the exact parameter was supposed to be. Somebody then said they changed it and couldn't tell the difference anymore.

Does anybody else remember this? It was some time ago as I recall. Probably pre-JJ.

maybe default filter cutoff is low enuff to cut out some highs so it sounds warmer?

12 bit akais sound dull to me.

you know, akai 12 bits arent even that dirty. theyre still almost clean like my 16 bit samplers, but there is something that makes it pop. on the other hand, my eps can be dirty as hell, but it does not have the low end thump. there are 16 bit samplers that can make samples 'dirty' or warm whatever ala asr, so its not just the bit depth or sample rate. nowdays, 16 bit is considered old anyway. when i was using strictly 16 bit newer machines, i was a bit skeptical too.

skeptical?

this all sounds like a passive way to approach sampling. the 12 bit sound is nothing but a coloration that any modern sampler can provide given the right signal path. what could you do to make your 16 bit audio sound worse?

thats the thing. modern samplers dont really give that coloring. and not all 12 bit samplers do it the same either. aliasing can be a beuatiful thing on older machines. dont get me wrong. im not saying anything old is better. it all depends on what the user wants out of the box. if you dont need to color the samples to sound certain way, cool. dont knock on people who seek them out tho.

what im saying is can you think of anything you could do to give your modern samples color?

youre right. but its one of those nitpicky things that people just become stubborn about. other people might not notice little things about your music, but you do. you know? has nothing to do with musical content or skills. just preference of the user.

i say its nothing more than nostalgia. myth. legend. the proverbial pot o gold at the end of the rainbow.

ever been snipe hunting?

alien_brain wrote:what im saying is can you think of anything you could do to give your modern samples color?

Outboard analog processing.

I have never, ever found a better solution to the "blah sounding" samples problem. All those digital cuisinart routines bore me to death.

nostalgia, yes. but i wouldnt go as far to say myth. if anything, its a myth that emulation sounds the same as the real thing. i suppose i can color the samples afterwards, but seems redundant, as i can just choose the sampler i like from the get go. i respect your opinion, but you didnt convince me to give up my 60.

its all good. i would just rather not fight with the old technology to get results. not to mention the 128 MB ram and the 100 GB HDD in have in my 1000... lol! both of those are modern conveniences i dont wish to give up!

for some pieces of gear i will put up with an old interface, but the payoff has to be worth it! for example, ill use an sh-101 that i cant save a patch on, but ill do it because of the obvious.

why not get a 12 bit digital delay from the time period of the mpc 60, and sample through it with the mix all the way wet and the feedback at zero? theres your 12 bit sound, and nobody can argue with it!

HERE is a loop i made with my mpc 1000. now does that sound dirrrrteh enuff for yas?

no im actually feeling what peezie is saying, but a lot of it is timing

i'm only 2 years deep in mpcs. if i had been using a 3000 before getting my 1000 i may have a very different picture.

hey i have an awesome idea: make an impulse response using an akai 12 bit sampler... then apply that response to your 16 bit sample data... BAM! indistinguishable from the real thing.

are there any software or hardware sampling impulse response reverbs out there, other than the Sony DRE-S777/2 jobbies? i'm not willing to spend several thousan ££ on an emulated mpc60 sound.