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By DJ-T Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:47 pm
Mr modnaR wrote:i can't believe a guy pretending to be a woman is coming on to me. :shock:

I thought it was jus me back in another forum. :lol:
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By Mr modnaR Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:31 pm
DJ-T wrote:
Mr modnaR wrote:i can't believe a guy pretending to be a woman is coming on to me. :shock:

I thought it was jus me back in another forum. :lol:


tsss! we're hot both of us! 8) :lol:
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By Mr modnaR Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:33 pm
Antonym wrote:random.

goddamn. i never noticed that.


not as fast as you think you are, eh monkey boy? :lol:

it's why i put the capital R at the end, to give like a hint to people. ssabmuD j/k :lol: 8)

By BCB2K5 Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:45 pm
The problem is also happens in Midi. I get the same issues when I play something from my synth going into my 1000.

The more sounds I add from the synth, the more of a strain it is for it to stay at a perfect timing. And the only samples, I would have going is the drums inside the mpc.


Albeit since updating the OS, this problem has been toned down alot, but it still rears its ugly head every so often. And sometimes for no reason. There was a joint I was doing not too long ago, that was pretty simple, and the timing was acting up. Then later my joints come out ok. Then just yesterday I made something nice, and when I finished it up with a complicated basslin, from my keyboard, the timing was no longer fluid.

So Akai did something right witht the update,...BUT THEY NEED TO DO MOOOOOOORE!

By medway Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:31 am
my1k wrote:when you complete your song can you tell the difference ?
can anyone else tell?

why dont you post your finished work so we can have a listen ?


I cant post it till the label has released it, they own the track.

By medway Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:34 am
Antonym wrote:wow, you're a ornery real son of a GUN, aren't you, why don't you take a zoloft and drink some chamomile. calm down.

i don't know anything about house music, and no, i didn't know that medway is a producer. i don't doubt he knows his stuff, but it seems that the poor guy has you hanging from his nuts...that'd piss me right off. anyway, i wanted to see his mix to see if i could analyse the problem, and why i don't encounter it. i have absolutely no interest in ever releasing a house song, or in copying another artist's work. i'm secure enough in my music. but if he doesn't want to let me see, that's cool.

last word? what about affordability? what about those of us who are doing fine and getting good feedback?

all i have been trying to do is figure out what is going on here, twist. calm the **** down, you're presenting yourself as a real dumbass.


Nym,

I know you just want to look at it but I just don't feel comfortable about giving that sort of thing out.

I assure you I have gone through the sequence with a fine tooth comb.

And I have also done a test as I described before where I recorded stuff from scratch in a new song and had the same probs.

There really is no mystery here, the timing just isnt that solid with high track counts. It comes on fairly quickly, as in everything is pretty ok and then I add one more track and all of a sudden it gets bad.

By medway Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:48 am
earwolf wrote:that defeats the whole point of this unit. bring back Roger Linn.


It does basically but I'm living with it. If I didn't have the S5000 I'd be pissed.

But I need that anyways to counteract the long samples gettign cut out on the 1000 too. Although now the S5000 is giving me glitches when I transfer samples via USB so I have to sample them manually.

By medway Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:50 am
Groove66 wrote:
twist wrote:God Damn there are some stupid bastards in this thread. Raise your hand if you are a signed recording artist. Okay then, just one. (Medway, enjoyed hearing you play records the other night in columbia sc.) The timing on the mpc is garbage. Ebay that puppy. Pick up an emu command station if you want a solid hardware sequencer, an rs7000 if you need a built in sampler.

my1k- timing makes for big problems at the mixdown stage. flamming transients, phasing, etc.

Antonym, stfu. If you knew anything about house music you would think "hey this is medway, the producer." He's not about to give you any of the components of his tunes seeing as it belongs to the label he is signed to. And incidently, your stuff is very dense- if by dense you mean poorly mixed and muddled.

Threads like this make me sad for Akai as a company, this board, and jokers that think the mpc1000 is the last word in music production. :cry:


Whats ure F**kin problem...

If Medway is serious about the timing of his work, he shouldnt have purchased the 1k in the first place. The CPU in that machine is fairly weak IMO. It gets the job done though, and some get great results.

The 4000 is next level, its Intel CPU makes the seqeuncer move a little faster and its timing is superlative...period.

I have no issues with the sound from any of the mpcs, as i work around that and never really use an mpc for its sound.

BTW i would never touch an EMU, have no respect for them...they are nothing but a cheap consumer brand now.

And whos saying the MPC 1000 is the last word in music production???

SO, i think its best that U now STFU and go back to your little Creative / Emu world.


I had no idea about the timing issues, I assumed since it was an mpc it would be up to snuff, my bad for assuming.

I still love the machine though.
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By medway Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:57 am
Groove66 wrote:
medway wrote: Yes these examples are rough as this is a loop I started a while ago so you don't hear some of the fine tuning I've done.

That does not excuse the sloppyness though. A beat should sound tight regardless. That same loop programmed with a softsynth sampler would not exhibit any of these problems.


Not being funny, but do you see the 'contradiction' here. On one hand ure saying the mpc should not be sloppy, and on the other you have fined tuned and improved the timing problem.

Seriously, production has too many variables to find a specific fault. Like i said before, the 1000 has its limitations (like any hw/sw), but after listening to your demo clips through my monitors, i know exactly where ure going wrong.

FWIW i have produced quite a few mainstream dance tracks, so im no stranger to house.


No contradiction. Fine tuning meaning better mixdown and taking samples and sending them to the S5000. And just musically its not as smooth as the final, nothing to do with the 1000 getting better timing.

Care to share your secret on how im going wrong? the track now sounds fine and the drums are slamming theres nothing wrong. I'm no stranger either just check out my discog.
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By medway Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:07 am
Antonym wrote:
@Antonym:
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NYM: medway, do you have a lot of qlink or midi cc stuff going on? that's something else to consider, cuz i rarely have that. i usually just resample into my sp404 rather than use the mpc qlinks. i might not run into issues of timing because i'm really only using the sequencer and filters - no sweeping, no effects. just lining up waves.

MEDWAY: not at the point of this loop, at the end product I did. But I checked that stuff. Even sent the sequence into SX so I could analyze it to see if there was soem stuf fin there clogging it up.

NYM: i can see how this would be MUCH more of an issue with house music than with hip hop, seeing as how house has a very different type of layering going on and timing is of utmost importance.

also, medway - when you track out, you're soloing a couple tracks at a time, correct? it's not an issue when you have all the respective wavs on protools/acid/ whatever, right?

MEDWAY: I don't track out, I run my mixes live now straight to Wavelab
after being mixed via my Creamware SCOPE system.

NYM: also, are you triggering long wav samples or is everythign oneshot? that's also important, because the more small samples you use in the 1k i've found that the better the 1k does, both with timing and with dropping out notes. it may be a LOT more work than you'd be willing to put in, but if you're dealing with 8 bar wavs, etc, you might want to chop em up in recycle and load the midi file in order to preserve the transients/exact timing of the original material, particularly if it's strings/pads or something without a heavy attack.

MEDWAY: It's all one shots now. Before I was using long waves as I had a song made originaly SX so had to export full loops. But this song was done from scratch in MPC.

NYM: i'm really curious about this issue. it doesn't worry me a lot, but i'm interested in the guts of the mpc, specifically the processor and how it differs from earlier models/the 2500. i know that was a lot of points/questions but i'd like to see what i should be looking out for in the future.

peace man

MEDWAY: Me too, I'm not as convinced now the cpus are that different after hearing the 2500 loop mixed closer to mine. But it seems like there is still some extra slop on the 1000 one.
nym

By BCB2K5 Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:28 am
Thanx for the info Medway, I thought I was the only one who was aware of this.

So you say your S5000 works ok. You think If I send all my songs into a 2k, or 4k they will be ok too?

And is there a way to take midi data the 100 and put it into a 2k or 4k?
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By Mr I3rown Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:02 am
medway wrote:
Mr I3rown wrote:this sounds seriously weird.

1. r your drums are trimmed?
2. what swing setting are u using?
3. and what timing setting r u using?
4. how many tracks on one sequence at a time r u using?


If you read my other posts you'd realize these questions have no point or I have already answered them


nah to be honest i did not read the posts, i came in to late to read all them pages, but hey what do i care my timing is nice on my MPC, so i dont care.!!
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By distortedtekno Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:09 am
earwolf wrote:that defeats the whole point of this unit. bring back Roger Linn.

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Like I said a while back, Linn needs to get his new product out. No news since last year's video interview... :?

By tank Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:35 pm
Exactly the same happens in the MPC2000XL.
To replicate this thing in your MPC just record a sequence in track 1 with a drum break. Then record exactly the same in track 2. Instead of a sound amplification (wich would occur in a "sample acurate" sequencer) a phasing effect occurs. I think this effect is normal for every MPC in the world and probably for every hardware midi sequencer.

By sleepersriddle Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:37 am
The machinedrum claims to be 'super-tight swedish engineering' when it comes to sequencing. I wonder if it is literally sample -accurate regarding 1. its internal sounds and 2. sending midi.

(Well I know you can't actually be 'sample accurate' with midi but you know what im sayin).

Of course this is achieved partly since the md is less flexible with its sequencing (fewer notes at once, only 1 global swing, grid-based timing.)