triggering multiple pads at the same time - with one pad

is there an elegant way to do that on the mpc1000?

Why do you need to do this? You can assign up to 4 samples to one pad.

Elegant?

morgan wrote:Why do you need to do this? You can assign up to 4 samples to one pad.

because maybe I sometimes would like to "layer" more than 4 samples at once.


Ooooorrr, I would like to "layer" different samples with different attack & decay settings ! !!

- Can you do this on one Pad???

Niceweis914 wrote:Elegant?

Elegant in terms of easy - not to complicated.


The only way I figured out to do this by now - is to copy one midi track to another and reassign the recorded pads to the new one.

So two diff. midi tracks - trigger two diff. pads at the same time.

the problem is that I'm not sure if they get triggered both "sample accurate" - to avoid phasing or other unwanted effects.

j.m wrote:The only way I figured out to do this by now - is to copy one midi track to another and reassign the recorded pads to the new one.
So two diff. midi tracks - trigger two diff. pads at the same time.

that's what i do if i want differents filter settings and stuff, and then i resample. (becuase the settings are per pad not per layer)

j.m wrote:the problem is that I'm not sure if they get triggered both "sample accurate" - to avoid phasing or other unwanted effects.

actualy, i am thinking that the 1k's timing is not so accurate, as i get different phasing sometimes, when i just listen to 2 samples triggered at the same time.

even with layers. 2 bass drums layered in a pad, and when i hit the pad, the tone of the phasing changes on some hits. So in this case i have to resample.

does it happens to you also ?

does it happens to you also ?

yup

it happened to me alot when I first got it.

mostly if you use the same /or similar sample.

if u layer it 1on1 and a "timeshift" between the two samples occurs you get the "phasing".

and that should not happen if both samples are triggered "sample accurate" - they should just be "louder" - I think the gain rises about 3db when layering the same sample (exactly 1 on top of the other).


this especially occurs if your pattern is a bit more dense/busy.

"actualy, i am thinking that the 1k's timing is not so accurate, as i get different phasing sometimes, when i just listen to 2 samples triggered at the same time. "

All the MPC's do this. Actually computers do it to, they are just bad it.

The fact that you hear phasing shows just how well the timing actually is. The reason that you do not hear it on other equipment is because the events occur so far apart in time (really bad timing) such that phasing does not occur.

Truth is that there is little reason to ever have to trigger 2 identical samples at the same time (or near the same time) unless your goal is get side effects.

personally i think that many modern s/w programs do indeed have sample-accurate timing as they advertise. But you got me curious and im gonna test it in ableton, reason etc.

that's the funny part, is that pcs are great for _internal_ timing accuracy, but not so hot with sending external midi accurately.

its mainly to do with how the o/s communicates with the midi port i think.

mpc3000> the issue is not about hearing phasing.

the problem is that it does not sounds the same everytime. there are like two "tones" possible. one occuring most of the time, one occuring some times randomely (around every 5 hits maybe). I don't think that this randomness on layered samples shows a very good timing. (but i might be wrong).

i will post an example next week, with two techno drum kicks, you'll hear what i am talking about.

on this issue there are some workarounds (resampling instead if layering for instance), but i am a bit dubious on the general tightness of the sequencer (but i am not sure yet, i'll do an other post later).

ok, here is a quick example: a 2bar loop playing with 2 drum kicks layered in the same pad. (all step at velocity 127 and duration 28. no effects, no filters)

click here to dowload

can you hear the difference of sound some time ?

then i kind of guess it would be related to a timing issue (it does also the same if two pads playing at the same time).

yeah like if you layer an 808 over a regular bass drum, the sound will not always layer the same way

it's annoying but it's part of the mpc "thing"

modern DAW's dont do it (the phasing that is, i.e., they ARE sample accurate). older ones did

mpc's are sample accurate? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

no.

it just doesnt work that way. it's like asking a refridgerator to do your laundry.


peace