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By Juicy Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:27 pm
Hi all. Yeah heard about v2 a couple of months ago but im not having sleepless nights or anything.


Thing is as it stands the mpc is horribly powerful anyway. I got a mac but except for vocals or live stuff everythings done on my mpc. All my keys are sampled etc. Im selling my s3200xl as it has no place any more. Its just to big and the mpc sounds teh same as it or close enought.


Thing is tho I got rid of a ton of stuff i had keys,out board etc because i found out im not a collector im still in to making the music. And this is my gripe with the mpc. You have to apply limitations in your mind before you use it.


No question the best tracks were made on s950's, mpc 60's or sp 12/oo's
and even the original fairlights were pretty awsome. I have used a couple of them and i discoverd what makes them so cool.


It aint the sound no way. I love the sound but thats not why they rock.

Its 100% to do with being able to fit just a dozen sounds in the memory. You then have to make all those samples count.


The thing is a sampler dont really need outboard. If you know what your doing you can make whole tracks that sound %100 with just clever samples.

I dont get this new trend of making grooves then putting them in a computer. And zapping them with plugs. If it needs this or that it dont work. Simple do it again it takes 5min. Make a new loop. The loop probaly needed the fix cos it was a lame groove.


Think of those old drum machines like the sp12. That sound set of about 15 samples was wicked and used on loads of records. So why do you need gigs of data.


I got this new system. I make kits with 6 samples. I have a pad or something i play then audition the samples to that. When i have six sounds i beat the pads see if they work. Then i go and set all my filter envelopes, level pan reverb etc. Only then i make the loops. thats the best system i have used so far.
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By g4s Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:36 pm
Know where you're coming from. Sometimes I think that I had more fun making beats when I just had 1 piece of kit with a stereo pair out. Exhausted a lot of the possibilities with that setup but, maybe, it was a bit more immediate.

That said, I've just secured a mint Akai S6000 and looking forward to adding that to the setup. Cue following discussion: -

Missus: "I see you've been buying MORE music gear!?"

Me: "What? This old sh!t? Nah, I've had this in the garage since we moved from the old place...!

G4s
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By Antonym Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:46 pm
that's fine for old hip hop but what lies on the boundaries of the genre today requires more. hip hop's instrumentals are progressing from just looped grooves. now, they're full songs that could stand alone as instrumental tracks without vocal accompaniment.

the only way to do that on an sp12 is to multitrack and reload, dubbing like shadow did with the mpc60. ever read the interview he had about "endroducing?" he made that on the 60, but many times had to record it onto tape so he could get more samples on his sampler...due to space limitations...

if a producer can handle more ram, it's nothing but good things for him/her. if not, there's always the good old fashioned 4 minute loop fest.
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By g4s Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:54 pm
Think it's better to be limited only by your imagination rather than your kit where possible. That said, this whole game was started by a few creative guys thinking outside the box to overcome the 'limitations' of the equipment they had.

Hopefully, somewhere, there's a young kid knocking out beats on a 1K and, in years to come, he'll give interviews and talk about how the new, free V2 OS upgrade helped him up his game.

G4s

By Juicy Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:14 pm
Yea. But i dont think thats gonna happen. I come from england my county is tiny but most of the dance producers including the big ones came from here.


They were the original the best and never beat. Now dance is just a cheesy disco.


Exact same whti hip hop. Im no massive fan but do like th old school stuff. The new stuff is just the progression to the masses. HIp hops dead it died the day it went main stream.

Who cares how much gear you got. The stuff i hear today is just a lot of trash stuck in pro tools.

I cant think of one really good groove since entroducing. The music is just not happening. Its not cool.



All the gear in the world wont compare with a knowlege of a few years spent listening to music in all differnt styles. Or basic understaning of music theroy.


Anyone who dont get it that hip hop aint there any more. And cant get there head round the fact that it wont be fresh again is just wasteing there time.


I say all power to the pioneers and the imitatiors can just live in there shadow where they belong. If its never done before its clever, if its done twice its a market product.


As for gear music did fine with four tracks. All the records sounded differnt from each other. Now we have 256+ and everyones just making the same crap.


Like the keyboard player from depeche mode said. He only played keys because they were new.


And as for gear. NERD use everything and sound like britney spheres. The only good records i know were made simple and recorded the same. The most important part is the idea. The idea is the one thing you cant throw money at.


Arm your self with as much memory and the biggest pro tools system you can find. But your chasing a fools dream. Its just consumerism, capitalist ideal. $$$ =n important.

By tse83 Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:27 pm
nothing since entroducing? :roll: :roll: :roll:

it might be true that we're not getting illmatics or 36 chambers every other week no more but... :?: :?:

endtroducing was what..96?

i'm sure moment of truth came out after that..and primo's beats >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dj shadow.

supreme clientele>>>>>>endtroducing

By sparq Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:41 pm
Juicy wrote:Yea. But i dont think thats gonna happen. I come from england my county is tiny but most of the dance producers including the big ones came from here.


They were the original the best and never beat. Now dance is just a cheesy disco.


Exact same whti hip hop. Im no massive fan but do like th old school stuff. The new stuff is just the progression to the masses. HIp hops dead it died the day it went main stream.

Who cares how much gear you got. The stuff i hear today is just a lot of trash stuck in pro tools.

I cant think of one really good groove since entroducing. The music is just not happening. Its not cool.



All the gear in the world wont compare with a knowlege of a few years spent listening to music in all differnt styles. Or basic understaning of music theroy.


Anyone who dont get it that hip hop aint there any more. And cant get there head round the fact that it wont be fresh again is just wasteing there time.


I say all power to the pioneers and the imitatiors can just live in there shadow where they belong. If its never done before its clever, if its done twice its a market product.


As for gear music did fine with four tracks. All the records sounded differnt from each other. Now we have 256+ and everyones just making the same ****.


Like the keyboard player from depeche mode said. He only played keys because they were new.


And as for gear. NERD use everything and sound like britney spheres. The only good records i know were made simple and recorded the same. The most important part is the idea. The idea is the one thing you cant throw money at.


Arm your self with as much memory and the biggest pro tools system you can find. But your chasing a fools dream. Its just consumerism, capitalist ideal. $$$ =n important.

Juicy wrote:Yea. But i dont think thats gonna happen.
you don't think what is going to happen???


Q. and where does that put you????
A. in the same place as the rest of us.
what are you doing that's so new?? if nothing then whatever you produce is nothing but a (how you put it?) market product
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By DrFunk7777 Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:42 pm
As for gear music did fine with four tracks. All the records sounded differnt from each other. Now we have 256+ and everyones just making the same ****.


Overall, you're denouncing everything and everybody, which is waaaayyyy too genreralized.

I will definitely aggree with you on this comment, though.

Sgt. Pepper's is simply amazing. I'm completely dumbfounded that it was done on a four track.

And...at the time...no one cared what the hell they were using.
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By Antonym Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:11 pm
primo's beats >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dj shadow.
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this is only matter of opinion, primo's beats don't progress nearly enough to be of any great interest for more than 20 seconds to me

granted those 20 seconds are great but once the loop's appeal wears off i want him to take it somewhere else. he's a great loop artist though
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By mikettm Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:36 pm
all i need is timestretch and zonign and ill be fine
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By Capshun Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:50 pm
mikettm wrote:all i need is timestretch and zonign and ill be fine
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By Capshun Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:51 pm
and primo and shadow are completley diffrent, primo is a emcees producer, shadow shines on instrumentals