Filtering on the MPC1000

How is actually the quality of the filters on the MPC1000, for example the lo pass filter? I know the effects like compressor and eq is shit compared to what you could in a DAW, but how is actually the filters, seen from an audiophile angle? (lol)

filters are just filters. correct me if im wrong. but they all do the same, the just filter the frequencies. am i wrong in thinking that the only drawback with mpc is the u ca only filer from high to low. u cant filter from low to high, althoght the high pass filter does, at 100 setting, filter out the bass freq, but u can really change the shape of the filter so it cuts both high and low, although band pass kinda does this, am i right/wrong or just simply confused? to bsically answer the question, the filters are pretty good

it says "MPC 1000" in your sig.

pad-ophiliac wrote:it says "MPC 1000" in your sig.

Uhm.... yes? What about it?

orjanbeats wrote:

pad-ophiliac wrote:it says "MPC 1000" in your sig.

Uhm.... yes? What about it?

you're asking us about the quality of the filters on the machine you own? do you use it? if so, i figured you might be able to draw your own conclusions about the filters. i guess i was wrong.

pad-ophiliac wrote:

orjanbeats wrote:

pad-ophiliac wrote:it says "MPC 1000" in your sig.

Uhm.... yes? What about it?

you're asking us about the quality of the filters on the machine you own? do you use it? if so, i figured you might be able to draw your own conclusions about the filters. i guess i was wrong.

Yes but I am not an audiophile person with a billion $ hifi stereo.

littlerob wrote:filters are just filters. correct me if im wrong.

You are wrong.

The quality of filters can vary greatly..

Like anything eq based (a filter is basically a powerful eq), it depends on the algorithms of the software/ quality of the hardware.

Peace!

orjanbeats wrote:Yes but I am not an audiophile person with a billion $ hifi stereo.

Filters are something different to a standard EQ, though, they're generally used more creatively in synthesis and sound design, rather than an EQ, which is usually used for more subtle changes in mixing and mastering. As for the quality of them, they're not like a model D Minimoog or anything, but they're perfectly passable. They're decent digital filters, that's about all you need to know.

Ok so it's no big deal whether I use the MPC1000 internal filtering, or if I do the filtering in a DAW with plugins?

orjanbeats wrote:Ok so it's no big deal whether I use the MPC1000 internal filtering, or if I do the filtering in a DAW with plugins?

I was reading pad-ophiliac's post thinking 'well he might have the mpc, but if he doesn't have anyhthing else to compare it with, how is he meant to know?'. But if you've got the DAW with the plugins you're talking about, just use whatever you think sounds better. You don't need anyone's opinion.

Krux wrote:

orjanbeats wrote:Ok so it's no big deal whether I use the MPC1000 internal filtering, or if I do the filtering in a DAW with plugins?

I was reading pad-ophiliac's post thinking 'well he might have the mpc, but if he doesn't have anyhthing else to compare it with, how is he meant to know?'. But if you've got the DAW with the plugins you're talking about, just use whatever you think sounds better. You don't need anyone's opinion.

I don't have a DAW yet but I was thinking about getting a laptop to mix the tracks and stuff like that.

orjanbeats wrote:

Krux wrote:

orjanbeats wrote:Ok so it's no big deal whether I use the MPC1000 internal filtering, or if I do the filtering in a DAW with plugins?

I was reading pad-ophiliac's post thinking 'well he might have the mpc, but if he doesn't have anyhthing else to compare it with, how is he meant to know?'. But if you've got the DAW with the plugins you're talking about, just use whatever you think sounds better. You don't need anyone's opinion.

I don't have a DAW yet but I was thinking about getting a laptop to mix the tracks and stuff like that.

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Well this is my opinion. You'll get better results from plugins. Unless you have lots of money, stick with the software. Its better to have a good plugin that can do a good job than have a piece of hardware that doesn't cut, just for the sake of having hardware. If you DO have lots of money, no plugin will match some of the hardware out there.

One of the main characteristics of a subtractive flat (if you use resonance other things come in effect) filter is how steep it is, that is how many dB it cuts per octace below or above the cutoff frequency. I think that is depending of how many Poles a filter have. The MPC 1000 has two seperate 2 Pole filters which can be linked forming what I guess must be a 4 Pole filter which gives a steeper roll off curve, or it just link them serial which would not give the roll off slope of a 4 pole.

The steeper the curve, less frequencies above or below the cut off freq will be heard. I think most synth filters are 4 pole. My Novation SuperBasstation can switch between 2 pole (12dB/octave) and 4 pole (24db/octave) and it´s a big difference betwwen the two. The 2 pole leaks alot and gives a rather unfocused sound, the 4 pole is really tight and carve really well in the sound.
When comparing the MPC filters with other 2 pole filters I guess there isn´t much difference, but if you want more radical results you should look for an external filter unit or software plug ins.

Note that I mostly use the MPC filters flat, as a subtractive EQ, the filters resonance qualities may be lower than average, I wouldn´t know about that.

if it sounds good use it.

every type of filter has a slightly different flavor.. more so if you are using higher resonance. different filters may sound better on different samples.

i wouldnt worry about it being bad/wrong to use what u got for now, im sure u can make a tight track with the mpc and decks.

but i do recommend just playing with different filters and listening to learn the differences. It gets to be fun after awhile, like comparing wines or cigars .