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By Antonym Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:41 am
the second i start locking threads about os 3.0....i think of a production tip for the 1000 that applies to the new os.

however, i feel justified in posting it because it's a tip, not a question/bug report, etc...so please bear with me

but here we go.

when it comes to drums, i no longer advocate layering when assigning samples to pads. ie, no

kick1
kick2
dopekick

all on the same pad...

i suggest composing different drum kits in the same program per song and using grid edit to "layer" them.

pad bank a - your main drumkit. in my example, a chopped break/chopped silence to patch in the in betweens. at this point you can create your drums over your sample - all in one track, because grid edit makes it easier to do that.

pad bank 2 - the layer samples. try to assign them the same way - i like having 1-4 all kicks, 5-8 all snares, then 4 hats, and the last 4 misc and cyms. you can do the same thing for pad bank B for continuity's sake.

now, to layer, either just play the drums over each other again - or if it's too difficult to do that, copy the whole damn track to anothre track, change em all to corresponding B pads, and merge the 2 tracks together.

instant layering - but it's better. grid edit shows 1 bank at a time, so you can go through and decide which note you want layered and which you DON"T want layered by taking out notes from the B bank grid edit...you understand? the result is deeper control over individual drum notes.

because the mpc1000 and 2500 lack the old simult feature - that is, multiple features applying to different layers of the same pad, this basically simulates simult by spreading the samples out to different pads.

this takes full advantage of the multiple pad banks of the mpc1000 while giving more control over the layering process - as well as the trakcing process. you can choose to track these drums together, or separately and layer em in your daw, tweaking each particular layer further before layering.

tell me what you think, and if you have any further ideas on how to better this method PLEASE tell me because it's about to be my prime method of layering and drum programming - getting REAL deep in there.

peace, enjoy. more discoveries later.
nym
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By Mr modnaR Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:44 am
good tip, i used to use redrum to do a similar thing to simult by running a gate out from one drum to gate in of another. i found that there wasn't enough control there though, and ended up layering using the sequencer, like you suggest here.

By tank Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:47 pm
One fundamental diference between layering in a pad or just playing simultaneouslly in diferent pads is the timing. When layering inside a pad the timing is perfect (no phasing effect), when playing sounds simultaneouslly in diferent pads the timing is not sample accurate and cause phasing effects. A good way to test is to overdub the same drum break two or more times and notice the phasing effect.
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By Antonym Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:38 pm
that's when you're using the exact same sound, though
just don't layer the same sound with the same sound and you're good

i have not had timing issues, and i just programmed the deepest layered track my mpc's ever had to work with.

By Definit Beatz Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:53 pm
i love to layer drums that way, i used to do that with fruity poops when i didnt have the mpc1k...then i had to go to pad layering...i have yet to use the grid edit, but thats what i was thinking of once i heard there was gonna be grid edit on the mpc1k,


total control over the layers...not just drums either...Woop!
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By Antonym Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:52 pm
MAN this is no joke

i now set up my drum kits like i mentioned

i send 1-4 through out 1, 5-8 through out 2, etc
makes for such fast tracking, i do that for pad bank a and b, essentially getting my drums tracked in 2 takes, each drumlayer separate so i can eq them better individually in my daw.

say you want to duck a frequency in layer A but don't want to apply the same duck to the sound in layer b...this is perfect for that

man
i'm excited

By tank Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:27 pm
Antonym wrote:that's when you're using the exact same sound, though
just don't layer the same sound with the same sound and you're good

i have not had timing issues, and i just programmed the deepest layered track my mpc's ever had to work with.


That's true, if you dont use the same sound or use the same sound lowpassed vs highpassed will not notice timing inconsistencies.

By Definit Beatz Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:54 pm
Antonym wrote:MAN this is no joke

i now set up my drum kits like i mentioned

i send 1-4 through out 1, 5-8 through out 2, etc
makes for such fast tracking, i do that for pad bank a and b, essentially getting my drums tracked in 2 takes, each drumlayer separate so i can eq them better individually in my daw.

say you want to duck a frequency in layer A but don't want to apply the same duck to the sound in layer b...this is perfect for that

man
i'm excited


im highly excited...

think about this, i was in jail for 4 months last yr...get out, hadda focus working, so i didnt have no net...then i finally get on a yr later...and come to find out all this shit has been added to the mpc1k...im almost lost there's so much more to it...

1. A Damn Hard Drive Kit (just ordered today without hesitation)
2. up to 100 gig hdd for the mpc1k (ordered a 80 gig today)
3. the new 3.0 OS, with way too many features to list...(wooo!!!)

im so damn happy...this lil Starter MPC has turned into a damn BEAST Amongst Drum Machines...i had no clue it could get this dope... my lord has graced me with something special...and to think i copped this MPC1k when it first came out for $675.00 (i thought that was gonna be about the best thing to happen to me from that 1k...lmao, thought wrong)


i cant wait for the hard drive kit and the hdd to get here...then its goin DOWN...


now thats beeing excited^
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By stan steez Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:39 am
Yo, I just installed the OS 3 beta thang and checked out the GRID EDIT Function too (MODE + Pad 15). Then I read about Nyms new Layering Technique. Sounds very interesting. I don't know if I understood everything about, so could somebody plz do a Tutorial Video???

PEACE
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By TBonus76 Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:43 am
stan steez wrote: I don't know if I understood everything about, so could somebody plz do a Tutorial Video???



Wow... I guess Sparq spoiled these cats.

(insert that quote about banned hand-holding HERE)
By ROCKNOID Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:38 pm
Antonym wrote:the second i start locking threads about os 3.0....i think of a production tip for the 1000 that applies to the new os.

however, i feel justified in posting it because it's a tip, not a question/bug report, etc...so please bear with me

but here we go.

when it comes to drums, i no longer advocate layering when assigning samples to pads. ie, no

kick1
kick2
dopekick

all on the same pad...

i suggest composing different drum kits in the same program per song and using grid edit to "layer" them.

pad bank a - your main drumkit. in my example, a chopped break/chopped silence to patch in the in betweens. at this point you can create your drums over your sample - all in one track, because grid edit makes it easier to do that.

pad bank 2 - the layer samples. try to assign them the same way - i like having 1-4 all kicks, 5-8 all snares, then 4 hats, and the last 4 misc and cyms. you can do the same thing for pad bank B for continuity's sake.

now, to layer, either just play the drums over each other again - or if it's too difficult to do that, copy the whole damn track to anothre track, change em all to corresponding B pads, and merge the 2 tracks together.

instant layering - but it's better. grid edit shows 1 bank at a time, so you can go through and decide which note you want layered and which you DON"T want layered by taking out notes from the B bank grid edit...you understand? the result is deeper control over individual drum notes.

because the mpc1000 and 2500 lack the old simult feature - that is, multiple features applying to different layers of the same pad, this basically simulates simult by spreading the samples out to different pads.

this takes full advantage of the multiple pad banks of the mpc1000 while giving more control over the layering process - as well as the trakcing process. you can choose to track these drums together, or separately and layer em in your daw, tweaking each particular layer further before layering.

tell me what you think, and if you have any further ideas on how to better this method PLEASE tell me because it's about to be my prime method of layering and drum programming - getting REAL deep in there.

peace, enjoy. more discoveries later.
nym


this may be a dumb question...but if i understand right, the kit you've got in pad bank B is filtered differently than the kit in pad bank A, correct? this way you can get 2exact copies of the same sample over top of each other, but filtered differently...right?
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By distortedtekno Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:01 pm
TBonus76 wrote:
stan steez wrote: I don't know if I understood everything about, so could somebody plz do a Tutorial Video???



Wow... I guess Sparq spoiled these cats.

(insert that quote about banned hand-holding HERE)

^^^^^^^^^^^^
elmacaco wrote:Yup, we've banned hand holding and salesmanship on the forum...


I need a new link to that Beatles tune. :lol:
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By Mr modnaR Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:07 pm
ROCKNOID wrote:this may be a dumb question...but if i understand right, the kit you've got in pad bank B is filtered differently than the kit in pad bank A, correct? this way you can get 2exact copies of the same sample over top of each other, but filtered differently...right?


yeah, it doesn't even have to be in a different bank though, that's just the way antonym has it set up. be aware that if you do play the same sample over itself, you'll get slight phasing problems because the sampler engine is not sample accurate.

By ROCKNOID Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:57 pm
i thought nym said he's done it without a phasing issue? or maybe the phasing isn't noticed if the samples are filtered different from one another...