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By innovine Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:21 am
Can you give me some tips on adding more flow, movement or progression to my songs? I find myself making a 4 or 8 bar sequence and looping round and round while I work on it. But I get stuck in the loop and don't really know how to work on a bigger picture. Do you copy the sequences and edit them? Work in Song mode? How do you handle variations, fills and small changes throughout the song?
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By Lampdog Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:25 pm
Make several copies of that same sequence.

Change each copy a little, ie, take out parts/notes, add parts/notes.

Once done, chain them all together in songmode.

One thing that will drive you crazy and I've told MANY people this.

In songmode, mpc's will only read the VERY FIRST track assignments of the VERY FIRST sequence in the songmode chain. Knowing that, for all those copies, make sure all the tracks assignments are the same for all of them.

example.

seq1 - trk1/kick, trk2/snr, trk3/piano
seq2 - trk1/kick, trk2/snr, trk3/piano
seq3 - trk1/kick, trk2/snr, trk3/piano
seq4 - trk1/kick, trk2/snr, trk3/piano
seq5 - trk1/kick, trk2/snr, trk3/piano

etc..

If you change a track instrument in any of the copies, your playback of the whole thing in songmode will be jacked up. This rule goes for all the mpc models.
By innovine Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:33 pm
I have not encountered that issue yet, so thanks for the advice. Seems like a very annoying thing. Is it also like that in JJ os2xl?

If I have an instrument that comes in late in the song, does the track need to be set up with the instrument in the first sequence? And can that track be left unused in some later sequences?
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By Lampdog Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:06 pm
Tracks can be left alone unused in later sequences, that's fine.

This is something you can try right now. No need to confuse this with alot of talk, test it out.
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By damien907 Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:06 am
if you have jjos try arranging your whole song/sample structure in a daw (or your mpc for that matter) and converting it to a single .wav file.
add this .wav file to a track, but make it an audio track. now youll have the skeleton of your whole song in one sequence, then you can loop certain sections and add your drums on each different track.

so all in all youlll have one big sample which is your whole song structure lets just say its this( 4 bar intro, 16 bar verse, 4 bar bridge, 8 bar outro) this will be your song.

put it on an audio track, make sure you know the bpm, and bar length, in this case it would be 32 bars long

audio track thats 32 bars
-kick
-snr
-hat
-ride
-toms
ect ect

now you can just loop 8 bars of the verse, and when you get your drums perfect, copy it over to the end of the verse, change so some stuff and start working on the hook.

i have the same problem as you because when using the mpc in standalone because im used to using a daw to make my beats on. this is kind of a more linear approach to making beats on the mpc.

check out my thread here, i got some cool ideas from other members about how to go about using the mpc standalone.

http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=148888


@lamp

are you saying in songmode that if say you put a crash on your hook and didnt have any crash samples on your verse, intro or whatever, that you should still make a crash track on the other sequences because if you dont it wont show up while in song mode?
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By Lampdog Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:37 am
damien907 wrote:are you saying in songmode that if say you put a crash on your hook and didnt have any crash samples on your verse, intro or whatever, that you should still make a crash track on the other sequences because if you dont it wont show up while in song mode?


I never said that.

If you guys try it you can answer this question, it's easy to test, I just stopped because I don't feel I should go in depth on something you can try yourselves.
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By padlock Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:59 am
song mode completely changed my workflow... 2500jjos1

ive had my mp for just over 5 yrs, only started using song mode in the last couple yrs.. so many beats i freestyled/track muted into my recording device. wish i used song mode back then, would have saved me such major hassles. now i use it religiously!

ive found myself using song mode whilst creating songs lately instead of working in a loop. helps to get the arrangement flowing and knowing where im going with a beat also, finding problem areas as i go.

its really simple.. you have your sequence, copy it.. name it 'something1' then copy that 10-20 times, goto song mode and fill it up with the numbered copys. and start arranging..

i listen to the beat in song mode finding out what needs to be muted and then deleting track notes if i want drops n such.


one thing that bugs me tho, is when you make 20 copies of a sequence, start building, then you realize a track volume level is not right or a midi channel is not selected etc.... makes me wish there was an option for 'sequence -/+ on the f keys'
just like the 'track-/+'....

do work son!
By innovine Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:02 am
Lampdog wrote:This is something you can try right now. No need to confuse this with alot of talk, test it out.


Can't test anything while I'm at work, but I can think and talk about it :)
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By damien907 Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:16 am
im gonna dive more into songmode next time i fire up my mp. its not a feature i have really used.
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By Lampdog Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:56 pm
innovine wrote:
Lampdog wrote:This is something you can try right now. No need to confuse this with alot of talk, test it out.


Can't test anything while I'm at work, but I can think and talk about it :)

And man I thought about that exact thing, after, I hit the submit button, lol.
My bad.


damien907 wrote:im gonna dive more into songmode next time i fire up my mp. its not a feature i have really used.

It's a really good feature/function.
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By konc3pt Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:29 pm
Lampdog wrote:Make several copies of that same sequence.

Change each copy a little, ie, take out parts/notes, add parts/notes.

Once done, chain them all together in songmode.

One thing that will drive you crazy and I've told MANY people this.

In songmode, mpc's will only read the VERY FIRST track assignments of the VERY FIRST sequence in the songmode chain. Knowing that, for all those copies, make sure all the tracks assignments are the same for all of them.

example.

seq1 - trk1/kick, trk2/snr, trk3/piano
seq2 - trk1/kick, trk2/snr, trk3/piano
seq3 - trk1/kick, trk2/snr, trk3/piano
seq4 - trk1/kick, trk2/snr, trk3/piano
seq5 - trk1/kick, trk2/snr, trk3/piano

etc..

If you change a track instrument in any of the copies, your playback of the whole thing in songmode will be jacked up. This rule goes for all the mpc models.


+100
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By b.read Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:23 pm
Question:

Do you have the ability to record percussion instruments?

:D
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By Lampdog Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:03 pm
b.read wrote:Question:

Do you have the ability to record percussion instruments?

:D

Not for me I know but I've used an almost empty box of grits taped to my mic and shook it while recording to make myself some nice varied shakers, lol. Came out damn nice too!
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By b.read Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:07 pm
sheeeeeeit with that fancy new fandangled interface you got you can record all kinds of shit! :D
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By Lampdog Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:03 am
I haven't put the grits on it yet but I will soon enough.

Almost empty macaroni box can bring some flow of new samples into songs as well.

For movement do that same shake but make it left 60% and the same shaker but different recording right 60%, sounds great.