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By DomexBEATS Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:15 pm
Hey everyone! I'm pretty new to producing and i want to get more serious with my production. I'[ve been doing my reserch and so far i'm leaning towards the 1000 or the 2500, but the NI maschine also looks pretty convincing. I make all types of beats but if i had to leanm towards a style i'd say like pete rock, kanye west, alchemist, and i like making some dirty south. i need some advice as to what i should get ?
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By konc3pt Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:09 pm
let me get this right, you want us to decide what to do with your money ? :lol:
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By Lampdog Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:55 am
scoobylol wrote:Well what have you got already in your studio?

What have you tried already in your studio?

Have you done research into why each of those is different?

Have you figured out what else you'll need alongside each of those?

Gonna ride with Sir Scoob on this one.

You still have a gang of shyt to figure out on your own.
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By krush777 Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:11 pm
DomexBEATS wrote:.... I make all types of beats but if i had to leanm towards a style i'd say like pete rock, kanye west, alchemist


What have you been making beats on?
By DomexBEATS Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:30 pm
well, i only have Fl studio honestly, also cooledit & im currently in the process of getting things to help my work flow... im getting some speakers and if need be , i won't hesitate to get a new DAW.. im thinking maybe an akai mpk49...

basically what i've learned from the difference in mpcs.. are the speeds of the workflows.. and the sound quality? to me you have to kind of expreience it to know what all that shit means so i can't just go based on that.
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By scoobylol Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:24 pm
DomexBEATS wrote:well, i only have Fl studio honestly, also cooledit & im currently in the process of getting things to help my work flow... im getting some speakers and if need be , i won't hesitate to get a new DAW.. im thinking maybe an akai mpk49...

basically what i've learned from the difference in mpcs.. are the speeds of the workflows.. and the sound quality? to me you have to kind of expreience it to know what all that **** means so i can't just go based on that.


Monitors are a great thing to save up for, and my advice is to learn the way yours sound. Listen to as many of your favourite tunes as possible on them so you get used to the nuances.

IMO there's barely any difference between any of the DAWs in essence, particularly when you're just starting out. They all come with useable plug-ins, so I'd keep your money unless you really think it'll make a massive difference.

If you get an MPC you won't need the MPK for the pads at least but the keys will obviously come in handy.

Sound quality amongst the MPCs has been well discussed on the boards, if you do a search you'll find out lots of information. I've only ever owned one MPC, so my knowledge is pretty basic, but from what I gather the general consensus is that the newer models, i.e 500, 1000, 2500, 5000 sound quite clinical. You get out what you put in.

Whereas with the older models, there can be colouration to the sound due to the converters used during the sampling process, and also due to the bit-rates that they sample.

Workflow is a personal thing. I think the balance for you to decide is between portability and compatibility. The newer models I listed above are quite easy to use because they use CF cards, USB connections etc... Whereas if you picked up a 2000 XL you might be stuck on floppy disks, or a JAZ drive or something along those lines. It's also worth noting the different sizes of RAM that are available for each model as that will impact on your workflow. Some people find the limitations of certain models inspiring, others restrictive.

EDIT: There are other options for older samplers though should you choose one. Check out this website

http://www.scsicardreaders.com

IMO a good starter option is the 1000. It's a good size, I found it easy to learn and integrate due to it being a more modern option, and coupled with the JJOS (an aftermarket operating system that improves the functionality) it makes for a very solid basis to any studio. One thing to note on the newer models is that people sometimes have trouble with the responsiveness of the pads. I think I read in another thread on here recently that Clint said he favours his 2000XL because of the way the pads feel, and I'm pretty sure he owns/has owned quite a few models. There are of course the new FAT PADS available from mpcstuff.com though, and a few people on here say there's a huge difference once these have been added.

Like I said though I've actually not got that much experience with any of the other MPC series, so you're better off asking the other blokes. Good luck with whatever you choose though, and stick with it.
By DomexBEATS Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:42 pm
scoobylol wrote:
DomexBEATS wrote:well, i only have Fl studio honestly, also cooledit & im currently in the process of getting things to help my work flow... im getting some speakers and if need be , i won't hesitate to get a new DAW.. im thinking maybe an akai mpk49...

basically what i've learned from the difference in mpcs.. are the speeds of the workflows.. and the sound quality? to me you have to kind of expreience it to know what all that **** means so i can't just go based on that.


Monitors are a great thing to save up for, and my advice is to learn the way yours sound. Listen to as many of your favourite tunes as possible on them so you get used to the nuances.

IMO there's barely any difference between any of the DAWs in essence, particularly when you're just starting out. They all come with useable plug-ins, so I'd keep your money unless you really think it'll make a massive difference.

If you get an MPC you won't need the MPK for the pads at least but the keys will obviously come in handy.

Sound quality amongst the MPCs has been well discussed on the boards, if you do a search you'll find out lots of information. I've only ever owned one MPC, so my knowledge is pretty basic, but from what I gather the general consensus is that the newer models, i.e 500, 1000, 2500, 5000 sound quite clinical. You get out what you put in.

Whereas with the older models, there can be colouration to the sound due to the converters used during the sampling process, and also due to the bit-rates that they sample.

Workflow is a personal thing. I think the balance for you to decide is between portability and compatibility. The newer models I listed above are quite easy to use because they use CF cards, USB connections etc... Whereas if you picked up a 2000 XL you might be stuck on floppy disks, or a JAZ drive or something along those lines. It's also worth noting the different sizes of RAM that are available for each model as that will impact on your workflow. Some people find the limitations of certain models inspiring, others restrictive.

EDIT: There are other options for older samplers though should you choose one. Check out this website

http://www.scsicardreaders.com

IMO a good starter option is the 1000. It's a good size, I found it easy to learn and integrate due to it being a more modern option, and coupled with the JJOS (an aftermarket operating system that improves the functionality) it makes for a very solid basis to any studio. One thing to note on the newer models is that people sometimes have trouble with the responsiveness of the pads. I think I read in another thread on here recently that Clint said he favours his 2000XL because of the way the pads feel, and I'm pretty sure he owns/has owned quite a few models. There are of course the new FAT PADS available from mpcstuff.com though, and a few people on here say there's a huge difference once these have been added.

Like I said though I've actually not got that much experience with any of the other MPC series, so you're better off asking the other blokes. Good luck with whatever you choose though, and stick with it.



wow brother, this is a great reply.... alot of useful information there.

i'm actually in the process of getting studio monitors , a midi synth or keyboard, and a drum pad....

now i was looking at the 1000 with jjos and it seems reasonble at my budget, but now that you bring up the newer models im curious as to how the older ones sound. I'm gonna be looking into the 2000xl and check out the 1000 as well.

as far as studio monitors go, i was going to go with yamahas hs5 or hs8, maybe even krks gen 2. idk yet

but thanks alot scooby
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By scoobylol Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:57 pm
Well don't forget you can use your MPC as a drum pad too, as long as you have an audio interface with a MIDI IN connection. It's just a case of setting everything up correctly. I probably wouldn't use it as a traditional keyboard replacement but at the end of the day if you're on a budget then why not?

Studio monitors are probably the hardest thing to choose IMO. I spent hours reading articles, and I'd advise you to do the same mate.

In regards to the size of your monitors, as with all things in life it's a trade, especially when you consider the size and shape of your room aswell. Larger monitors will let you hear or even feel the low end of your tunes, but it won't neccesarily be accurate if the sound is bouncing all over the place. In that situation smaller monitors might be a better idea, but as a trade off you don't get that full low end. You can always get around that with some decent headphones and some referencing when it comes to getting your tunes finished off.

On a similar note I think some of the KRK monitors are front ported, which means the speaker is pushing air out the front as opposed to the back. That can be useful if you have to place your monitors close to the wall for example if you're limited for space.

(I'm no authority on this by the way, this is all just information I've picked up from reading article after article).

Again good luck, and happy spending.
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By mr_debauch Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:58 pm
Another thing to note... about your midi (usb) controller of choice... I mean I dont wanna tell you what to do or taint your decision etc... but I would really avoid the mpk49 (not talking about any of the other akai controllers mind you, just the 49)

There have been countless reports of broken keys and I have not heard a single report of them fixing the terrible design flaw.

Google this "mpk 49 popped key" and dont have a mouthful of coffee while pushing enter and looking at the images in the search because you will likely spit all over your keyboard :lol: :lol:


Yeah older mpc models like the 60 and 3000 especially tend to butter up the sound of samples... but honestly... get yourself an EQ to run your stuff through while sampling and you will get a different good sound. Yes we all love the 60, but dont chase after something like a slight difference in sound while sacrificing features and integration. We go through a lot of hassle getting the job done on the 60 and it takes more patience, care, and potentially money to have a reliable setup with those older units.. hell, CF card readers for the 60 cost 100-150 bucks, that is if you have the scsi upgrade which is near impossible to buy and if you can get it.. there is a few bills (maybe 300?).. but the scsi upgrade does nothing unless you have the OS upgrade that costs a few extra bills.. know what I mean? Make sure if you go down that road you know what to expect etc.
By DomexBEATS Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:01 am
first of all, i'm very grateful for you guys taking your time and giving me flat out honest opinions, it means alot.

secondly, i must read and read some more..lol. im probably not gonna get the mpk49 (thanks mr. debauch) so i will look into other midi controllers... as far as mpcs tho.. im gonna have to do more research.

im curious tho as to what daws you guys use with your mpcs? and have you guys tried the NI maschine?