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By Mastakilla Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:48 pm
personally I don't think it's a drum break. not a straight looped break anyhow. Each part of the kit could be FROM a break, or possibly all from different breaks. the kick seems a little low in the mix (but i listened on my laptop... so not excellent source) But the kick doesn't sound like an 808 to me. i'd just guess it's a sampled boxy sounding kick with some room reverb on it. The reverb was probably from the original sampled recording. I notice there's two type of kick samples you can usually snag.. The one where the mallet bounces off the skin, and one where the mallet is stuck to the skin and held for a moment. This is why you can tell the difference from programed kicks verse a live played kit's kick when playing two 16th notes really close on the kick. The first kick is the mallet bouncing, the second is the mallet sticking. So it sounds natural. You get two "stick", "stick" kick sounds too close to one another and you get that blatent drum machine sound.
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By elevated Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:00 pm
Mastakilla wrote:the kick seems a little low in the mix (but i listened on my laptop... so not excellent source) But the kick doesn't sound like an 808 to me.


Hold up,, U listened to the low-end of a kick on LAPTOP SPEAKERS and then tried to help out? :lol: :lol:
By Mastakilla Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:08 am
elevated wrote:
Mastakilla wrote:the kick seems a little low in the mix (but i listened on my laptop... so not excellent source) But the kick doesn't sound like an 808 to me.


Hold up,, U listened to the low-end of a kick on LAPTOP SPEAKERS and then tried to help out? :lol: :lol:


Yea, I did. I can guarantee you it's not an 808. low end or not, it's low in the mix... meaning its disproportionate from the rest of the kit, which is one factor among several others that would lead anyone with ears to conclude that it isn't part of "the break" as he asked. So, I did answer both questions. But, please indulge us with your analysis.
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By MeSoHordey Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:12 am
I listened on my cell phone and I can assure you there is no kick drum in this song.
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By peterpiper Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:40 am
elevated wrote:
Mastakilla wrote:the kick seems a little low in the mix (but i listened on my laptop... so not excellent source) But the kick doesn't sound like an 808 to me.


Hold up,, U listened to the low-end of a kick on LAPTOP SPEAKERS and then tried to help out? :lol: :lol:



low(amplitude) doesnt mean low-end(frequency). so if you listen to a song on small speakers the low-end(bassfreq) of a kick is low in amplitude cause of the small speakers but the hi frequencies of the kick can also be low so the kick is low in the mix.

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By Rockin'DoublZ Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:38 am
my bad, the cat that made this beat said that he uses breaks on all his beats, but im just talikn' about his kick drum and it's all on his tracks, basically the boom-bap kick drum sound is what im tryin' to get at...

@mastakilla, maybe a subtle 808 to put more umph in the kick???

@Ill-Green, on small speakers they do sound like your ordinary stock kit.., bump his track on a big monitor and you can hear the difference.., sounds heavy and full... peace
By beach_break Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:10 am
i have no idea.
but i'm always giving other djs hell for not even knowing what it means to play doubles.
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By MoreBuck$ Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:02 pm
I listened to this through a bean can with some string attached and i can safely confirm that there are no beats on this track 8)
By Mastakilla Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:04 am
Rockin'DoublZ wrote:my bad, the cat that made this beat said that he uses breaks on all his beats, but im just talikn' about his kick drum and it's all on his tracks, basically the boom-bap kick drum sound is what im tryin' to get at...

@mastakilla, maybe a subtle 808 to put more umph in the kick???

@Ill-Green, on small speakers they do sound like your ordinary stock kit.., bump his track on a big monitor and you can hear the difference.., sounds heavy and full... peace


I wouldn't use an 808 to fatten up a kick, I would use EQ and compression. Boosting between 50-100hz and applying some compression with a slow attack time to let the transient of the kick peak through. The snap of the skin can get crushed with a compressor using too fast of an attack.

To me... this kick sounds "boxy", I would usually cut some freq.'s around 250hz to get rid of that sound, but... if you're trying to get this boxy sound, you can do the opposite and boost those freq. By using an EQ with a 6db boost around that 200-250hz area with a fairly narrow "Q" (these are all parameters that should jump out at you if you're using an equalizer)

Again, it's better to start out with a good sounding Break kick in the first place. But, like i said, throwing an 808 behind the kick is just not the way I would go about it. You see a lot of stupid FL studio beat demos where guys are layering drums, like 3 snares to thicken up the sound. Usually all the drums they're starting with in the first place are garbage and they're never using EQ, compression, or reverb. I'm not saying you can't layer drums, I do it a lot but it usually has some logic behind it. Like a snare and a clap, the clap makes the transient cut through the mix and the snare provides the thickness. Begin with trying to improve the KICK itself before you just throw something with bass behind it because it doesn't have enough bass in it.
By HP. Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:29 am
MoreBuck$ wrote:I listened to this through a bean can with some string attached and i can safely confirm that there are no beats on this track 8)


:lol:
By jimmie Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:34 am
You can achieve this thump on your kick by just using a high-pass filter at about 7 on the mpc and boosting the resonance. Easy.
Sounds like he also sent a tiny bit of the kick through a stereo chorus and reverb.