The Original Funky Drummer Breakbeat Album

Hi, I am a total nubie with regards to the MPC and sampling other people's material, I usually just sample my own. However I recently got my first MPC and I am wanting some funky drums to sample and saw this

The Original Funky Drummer Breakbeat Album: http://amzn.com/B004J4XVSG

It seems perfect for what I am looking to sample. I am wanting to take some authentic funk drumming, dump it to cassette at half-speed, pitch it back up, sample it on the MPC, and pitch it back down for some authentic lo-fi goodness.

My question is does anyone know if this recording is a sample CD as in it is royalty-free to sample once you have purchased it? It seems like it was MADE for sampling, however the price seems too low to be a proper sample cd.

I read somewhere that Clyde Stubblefield was not so interested in money but in being credited for the funky drummer break that everyone uses, so maybe he is happy to have people sample his work if they bought the cd? This seems unlikely though and I cannot find any information on this album at all!

Does anyone know the story about this album? They obviously made it to sample. However maybe they want you to clear the samples with them like you were sampling a break off of any old album? I ask because I release music commercially and I don't want any chance of something coming back to bite me in the ass later on. I don't mind paying more for these samples, but I don't have the means to track sales and pay percentage on samples used in my music etc. So I want to pay for the use and then forget it, but I don't know if that is possible with this particular selection. This IS the album I want to use though.

Any help with this would be much appreciated. If you have any info about this album please let me know.

Thanks!
DJ

P.S. Did a search on the Forums and found no info, so I assume no one has asked about this before. If this has been asked and answered in the past, my apologies!

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/origi ... id49918064

Published by Music of Life, but it's an 'on demand' cdr on Amazon. Very odd.

Music of Life I believe do a lot of sample fodder releases, so I'd guess it's supposed to be sampling food, but it's odd that it doesn't mention this explicitly. MoF site 'coming soon, so cannot check direct.

diskjunkie wrote:Hi, I am a total nubie with regards to the MPC and sampling other people's material, I usually just sample my own. However I recently got my first MPC and I am wanting some funky drums to sample and saw this

The Original Funky Drummer Breakbeat Album: http://amzn.com/B004J4XVSG

It seems perfect for what I am looking to sample. I am wanting to take some authentic funk drumming, dump it to cassette at half-speed, pitch it back up, sample it on the MPC, and pitch it back down for some authentic lo-fi goodness.

My question is does anyone know if this recording is a sample CD as in it is royalty-free to sample once you have purchased it? It seems like it was MADE for sampling, however the price seems too low to be a proper sample cd.

I read somewhere that Clyde Stubblefield was not so interested in money but in being credited for the funky drummer break that everyone uses, so maybe he is happy to have people sample his work if they bought the cd? This seems unlikely though and I cannot find any information on this album at all!

Does anyone know the story about this album? They obviously made it to sample. However maybe they want you to clear the samples with them like you were sampling a break off of any old album? I ask because I release music commercially and I don't want any chance of something coming back to bite me in the ass later on. I don't mind paying more for these samples, but I don't have the means to track sales and pay percentage on samples used in my music etc. So I want to pay for the use and then forget it, but I don't know if that is possible with this particular selection. This IS the album I want to use though.

Any help with this would be much appreciated. If you have any info about this album please let me know.

Thanks!
DJ

P.S. Did a search on the Forums and found no info, so I assume no one has asked about this before. If this has been asked and answered in the past, my apologies!

This is how a question should be asked. Welcome to the forum! You got me interested so I'm going to look around too.

Info seems scarce although I found some credits for it, produced by Simon Harris which is cool. No liner notes posted anywhere that I can find.

Did come across this, more expensive but clearly all the licensing is sorted on this as it's presented without question as a sample library - http://www.numericalsound.com/clyde-stubblefield.html

It's not Stubblefield but a possible alternative is the Drum Drops series which features people like Jan Kincaid (Brand New Heavies) and Keith LeBlanc. http://www.drumdrops.com/

http://www.loopmasters.com/search?versi ... g=&x=0&y=0

And this is out there as well - http://www.mpc-samples.com/product.php/ ... um-breaks/

MPC-Tutor wrote:https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/original-funky-drummer-breakbeat/id49918064

Published by Music of Life, but it's an 'on demand' cdr on Amazon. Very odd.

Music of Life I believe do a lot of sample fodder releases, so I'd guess it's supposed to be sampling food, but it's odd that it doesn't mention this explicitly. MoF site 'coming soon, so cannot check direct.

That is exactly what I thought. Looks like it is supposed to be a sampling CD but the price seems too low and it does not call itself a sampling CD nor say you can use the samples in your compositions, or... anything.

Clyde is such a big name that I thought I might be able to find a old press release or some chatter on a message board like this one, but nothing. When I search I just get links to purchase the album.

BTW, MPC-T I am loving "Beat Making on the MPC 500". Not sure how long it would have taken me to figure as much out without your help!

MeSoHordey wrote:

diskjunkie wrote:Hi, I am a total nubie with regards to the MPC and sampling other people's material, I usually just sample my own. However I recently got my first MPC and I am wanting some funky drums to sample and saw this

The Original Funky Drummer Breakbeat Album: http://amzn.com/B004J4XVSG

It seems perfect for what I am looking to sample. I am wanting to take some authentic funk drumming, dump it to cassette at half-speed, pitch it back up, sample it on the MPC, and pitch it back down for some authentic lo-fi goodness.

My question is does anyone know if this recording is a sample CD as in it is royalty-free to sample once you have purchased it? It seems like it was MADE for sampling, however the price seems too low to be a proper sample cd.

I read somewhere that Clyde Stubblefield was not so interested in money but in being credited for the funky drummer break that everyone uses, so maybe he is happy to have people sample his work if they bought the cd? This seems unlikely though and I cannot find any information on this album at all!

Does anyone know the story about this album? They obviously made it to sample. However maybe they want you to clear the samples with them like you were sampling a break off of any old album? I ask because I release music commercially and I don't want any chance of something coming back to bite me in the ass later on. I don't mind paying more for these samples, but I don't have the means to track sales and pay percentage on samples used in my music etc. So I want to pay for the use and then forget it, but I don't know if that is possible with this particular selection. This IS the album I want to use though.

Any help with this would be much appreciated. If you have any info about this album please let me know.

Thanks!
DJ

P.S. Did a search on the Forums and found no info, so I assume no one has asked about this before. If this has been asked and answered in the past, my apologies!

This is how a question should be asked. Welcome to the forum! You got me interested so I'm going to look around too.

Great, thank you! Please let me know what you find.

Metatron72 wrote:Info seems scarce although I found some credits for it, produced by Simon Harris which is cool. No liner notes posted anywhere that I can find.

Did come across this, more expensive but clearly all the licensing is sorted on this as it's presented without question as a sample library - http://www.numericalsound.com/clyde-stubblefield.html

It's not Stubblefield but a possible alternative is the Drum Drops series which features people like Jan Kincaid (Brand New Heavies) and Keith LeBlanc. http://www.drumdrops.com/

http://www.loopmasters.com/search?versi ... g=&x=0&y=0

And this is out there as well - http://www.mpc-samples.com/product.php/ ... um-breaks/

Thanks Metatron72, those are all good alternatives that I will explore as well.

Is it just me or does the production sound better on the OFDBA then on Clyde's sample CD? The drums just sound more aggressive, in a good way. That is why I would love to sample that CD if that was what it was intended for. Again, I would pay more to have it in a sample CD format if that is what was necessary, but I am just surprised that there is not more info on this either way.

I'll probably pick up Dirty Drum Breaks Vol 1 regardless and Drum Drops 70s funk looks good as well. But I would love some clarity on if I can sample OFDBA and use it in my compositions legally or not. Thanks for your help!

This topic triggered me to check my sample CDs as i was quite sure that somewhere i have something featuring Clyde.

And yes...found it...!
This Sample CD consists of a lot of funky drumloops played by Clyde Stubblefield...even incl. groove templates...
It is called DNA Beat Blocks featuring Clyde.

Btw...all samples on this CD are royalty free...so free to use in your own production.

RodmanSan wrote:This topic triggered me to check my sample CDs as i was quite sure that somewhere i have something featuring Clyde.

And yes...found it...!
This Sample CD consists of a lot of funky drumloops played by Clyde Stubblefield...even incl. groove templates...
It is called DNA Beat Blocks featuring Clyde.

Btw...all samples on this CD are royalty free...so free to use in your own production.

Thanks for the info. I believe this is the same sample CD someone linked to above:

http://www.numericalsound.com/clyde-stubblefield.html

The numerical site does not have as many samples of Clyde's playing as Amazon does, but from what little there is one difference I notice is all the ruffs and little rolls that Clyde puts in his playing on the OFDBA vs what is available to hear on the numerical site. These little rolls and ruffs are a large part of what I consider real funky drum playing and I don't really hear it on the two or three samples on numerical (it does not mean it is not present on the CD somewhere). I think this is part of what gives Clyde's playing on the OFDBA more of a agressive or funky feel from what I can hear.

I've played with a lot of drummers over the years and your beginner or average drummer does not put these types of rolls, ruffs, drags, and grace notes in their "funky" drum beats and so it is not that funky. It does not have that same drive.

Since the CD on numerical's page contains midi groove templates, I wonder if they asked Clyde to play more clean so that it would make a cleaner template? Since you own the package RodmanSan can you let us know what you think about it? Do the audio samples on the numerical site do it justice? The kick sounds a bit boomy to me, but this could be a good thing. I would not really know until I chopped it up.

Again thanks for sharing and any additional info you can provide about this particular package.

I remember that. Was released on vinyl back in 1999 in limited counts, then on CD later. Its royalty free but you still have to get permission or just let them know that you used it on a track. No hassle, I think a couple emails would do.

seriously that cd is rubbish if you compare it to the original 60s and 70s breaks...i would never sample of that..sounds nothing like the funky beats off old vinyl

Ill-Green wrote:I remember that. Was released on vinyl back in 1999 in limited counts, then on CD later. Its royalty free but you still have to get permission or just let them know that you used it on a track. No hassle, I think a couple emails would do.

Hey thanks, that is exactly the kind of info I was looking for!

Jayo wrote:seriously that cd is rubbish if you compare it to the original 60s and 70s breaks...i would never sample of that..sounds nothing like the funky beats off old vinyl

Hey that's cool, to each his own. I am sure your breaks sound dope sampled off the original vinyl and I know sampling old breaks is the ultimate. But I'm just not interested in breaking the law to do it, nor do I or my label have the means to keep a team on hand to clear samples or battle lawsuits. My music needs to be all clear legally.

I know these are very clean and I rarely just use a clean break like that as is. I have my ways of getting a grittier sound, and that can be part of the fun of it. If it still sounds like rubbish to you, that's cool too. There are purists in every genre of music who like things done a certain way and much respect to them. We each gotta find our own way of doing things that feels right to us.

Of course if all those old funk and soul albums were legal to sample I would be all about it, but I just gotta do things the way I feel right about doing them. If one day I make it so big that I or my label have a legal team to clear samples or fight in the courts, things will change, but for now I am going to keep things legal.

Jayo wrote:seriously that cd is rubbish if you compare it to the original 60s and 70s breaks...i would never sample of that..sounds nothing like the funky beats off old vinyl

All I can say that its good clean acoustic drums. Dirty them with some 12 bit goodness will do them justice. Roland SPs will filth that.

Ill-Green wrote:

Jayo wrote:seriously that cd is rubbish if you compare it to the original 60s and 70s breaks...i would never sample of that..sounds nothing like the funky beats off old vinyl

All I can say that its good clean acoustic drums. Dirty them with some 12 bit goodness will do them justice. Roland SPs will filth that.

My thoughts exactly. Thanks again for your help Ill-Green.