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By Alfred K Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:22 pm
People, I am a 60s something guy, have been composing and making music since childhood. Bought my first serious synth, a Korg O1W, when Sweetwater was still in a garage. So I have seen, used, and learned a lot of gear. But I do not "Grok" the MPC Live II (or any MPC, for that matter) at all. Yes, I've seen many of the tutorials on line. Still don't get it.

It's me, not the machine. I think my mental block has something to do with loops, beat making, the logic of it all, the workflow...

Wondering if there is anyone out there who can help me, one-on-one, by phone or whatever, to get me over whatever mental block it is that I seem to have. I'm happy to pay whatever is reasonable.

As I am new to this forum, I'm not sure how replies will come to me, but I hope someone fluent, patient, and understanding can help out!

Thank you!
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By Lampdog Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:00 am
When you read the manual, play with the buttons and do what you read about. It will become more and more clear once you make a skeleton beat and do what you read about.
By Muzweli53 Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:12 am
Hey,

I'm new as well. I'm getting a Live ll pretty soon. I've already been told of the "steep learning curve". Don't get discouraged. Everything is there for us to find. Just sit back, take a deep breath, and really look at it. It's all there. Don't quit!
By ace_of_dub Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:24 am
Alfred K wrote:People, I am a 60s something guy, have been composing and making music since childhood. Bought my first serious synth, a Korg O1W, when Sweetwater was still in a garage. So I have seen, used, and learned a lot of gear. But I do not "Grok" the MPC Live II (or any MPC, for that matter) at all. Yes, I've seen many of the tutorials on line. Still don't get it.

It's me, not the machine. I think my mental block has something to do with loops, beat making, the logic of it all, the workflow...

Wondering if there is anyone out there who can help me, one-on-one, by phone or whatever, to get me over whatever mental block it is that I seem to have. I'm happy to pay whatever is reasonable.

As I am new to this forum, I'm not sure how replies will come to me, but I hope someone fluent, patient, and understanding can help out!

Thank you!


I can help, you can tip me via PM later if you want ;)

But honestly, I recommend buying the MPC Live Bible and reading it, it will help you far better than I can. Or at least start watching some basic tutorials on AKAI video youtube channel.

First you need to understand that these devices are actually quite simple when used exactly how they were designed to be used. I think AKAI wanted to appeal to a larger audience, therefore the MPC became more complicated but in surface, if you stick to a certain workflow, it should be a breeze.

About semantics: a loop of course is either an audio snippet that repeats itself continuously, or a sequence of notes that repeat themselves. So a drum loop is just a loop of drum recording. "beat making" doesn't mean much, it's just composing a track or song on a MPC.

First you need to decide how you really want to use the MPC. As a drum machine? As your main sequencer? as an expander and just play synths live on the keyboard?

If you want the MPC to be "the central piece" of your set up, then there is basically 2 different workflow:

The SEQUENCER:

1/ creating chunks of songs with sequences ( for instance sequence 1 is verse, sequence 2 is the chorus). Then chaining these sequences via the SONG mode, when you can decide to chain sequence 1 then sequence 2 then sequence 1 and 2 again to form a song.

2/ a single sequence can have up to 999 bars I believe. So you can just create an entire song with a single sequence.

when working with sequences, remember that:

Each track in a sequence can have a different length ( it will then loop back on that length if the track length is inferior to the sequence length).

Each track can be muted and unmuted and muted stated can be automated during playback.

You can also loop through a segment of a track ( for instance from bar 5 to bar 9) in order to work that very specific area and place markers (up to 6) to quickly jump from one location to another.

PROGRAMS:

the MPC Live plays sound, the sound comes from programs, there are different kind of programs, drum programs, key groups, clip programs plugins ...

Drum programs are where you lay out a drum kit, each pad has a different sample associated with it, it can be a kickdrum a snare, but also a bass note. You can play a bassline with a mode called "16 level" where each pad will then represent a different note.

Recording is easy you press record, you can erase your mistakes by pressing erase and a pad at the same time, or correct timing errors with the time correct function...

AUDIO Tracks: you can record external audio from external synths like a tape recorder via audio tracks, it will just record the incoming audio and will play your sequence along.

When you're done creating your first sequence or sequence chain via song mode, just "bounce" the sequence to create an audio file you can then listen on your phone or anywhere else.
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By Alfred K Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:30 pm
Thank you, everyone. This helps. I'd never heard of the MPC Live Bible, but will definitely locate, buy, and read.

In response to the responses:

My intended use is as an instrument on which I want to create beat/rhythm tracks, bringing an audio track into Logic, or recording the output of the MPC into my DAW (Logic). I'd then use these tracks as the backbones from/on which to build music. I have no thoughts of using the device as a DAW, nor do I expect to use the device live.

I record and mix using Logic including many VST instruments and effects/processors, and a fair amount of outboard gear, including that used in vocals. Would you believe that in perhaps 25 years of using logic, I have never worked with loops, and seem to have developed a blind spot - and a hardening learning disability! I can remember as my dad, a brilliant guy, aged, he got to the point where he simply couldn't learn certain things - like personal computers. It frustrated him terribly. I am, for the first time, sympathetic.

In my compositions, nothing repeats. Every bar and every instrument is unique. I guess I never think in terms of repeating patterns. But I heard some of the beat tracks a friend was doing on his MPC, and thought, "Man, that's sweet... I want some of that."

I certainly get the idea of loops, I suppose I just don't understand the workflow on this device. But with your encouragement, I will not quit. Rather, I will read! And thank you, BostonGreen, Muzweli53, and Lampdog.

Ace, I will, with your permission, get back to you if the Bible doesn't get me there.

Glad I met you folks. Hope I can return the favor some day!
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By Lampdog Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:05 am
Alfred K wrote:.... or recording the output of the MPC into my DAW (Logic).

The mpc can export tracks to stems also, no need to manually record out to daw if you don't want to.
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By NearTao Wed Mar 09, 2022 2:01 pm
If it helps, you don't necessarily have to think of the MPC as a "loop" machine. Most people probably approach it that way just because you get some economy of scale, but you can absolutely work it like you would in Logic and just make long tracks of any length that you want.

Before digging in too deeply though, I am curious:

When working in Logic are you working on the grid and to a BPM, or are you just recording your tracks in live and not worrying about the metronome and stuff?

How do you approach arranging different instruments or parts in Logic?

The reason I am asking both of those is that you *probably* can get similar workflows in the MPC if that either helps you get a grounded starting point or is what you are looking for... or might help us explain ways in which you can start there. The MPC has many different workflows and while some might "get you there" more efficiently, there aren't so many places where I would say one workflow is necessarily better than another.

Where I think people tend to get hung up with the MPC is that it tends to have specific ways to approach things in mind that don't necessarily jive with how you might have learned from other instruments and software.

Regardless, if you're into learning it, and don't mind us asking clarifying questions, I am sure we can help you get to where you want to go.
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By Monotremata Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:58 pm
Yeah dont get caught on the more modern "loop based" thing.. At its heart the MPC is just a basic MIDI sequencer that just happens to have a sampler built into it for sounds and instruments, etc. The one thing that caught me up when I moved to an MPC 2+ years ago was getting used to the way they want you to build your songs up. You can think of it as taking a linear sequence you would make in something like Logic or Cubase, and split it up into sections, aka 'Sequences'. You dont have to do it this way, you can do an entire album in one sequence if you want, but Akai's little breakdown image of how the sequencer is laid out was one of those 'AHA' moments for me when it explained the hierarchy in the sequencer. Now 2, almost 3 years later, I actually have trouble and get 'brain freeze' looking at the timeline in Cubase or Logic. My brain adapted to working on things in chunks, and thats how I see everything now haha.