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By sleepless Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:16 pm
I was wondering how u guys sample your drums. Do u dig in the crates and get drum samples from there? Do u tweak them and make your own from there? or do u use drum kits that u can buy. just wondering. or if theres another method post it. peace
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By GRMM D Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:56 pm
yes, yes and yes. personally i get em any way i can. some cats will only dig for them but its more fun that way. if u diggin then you gonna have to tweak them. resample, filters, whateva

By fader-pro Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:40 pm
Well......I do it a bit differently than that....I take a drum and a microphone (and a drumstick) and take it from there..... :wink:

On a more serious note......
1. When sampling real drums, don't sample direct into your MPC if you can help it. It's alot better to record into DAW first. Reason being that you get lots of hits and only pick the best to go into your MPC.
2. Get both left and right hand hits
3. Sample hits from both the center and side of the drum head
4. Take samples at different volocities ie. soft, medium, and hard
5. Sample several true rolls at different tempos. (There have been many threads about creating realistic drum rolls - sampling the real thing is by far the best method)
6. Sample in a good sounding room. If you can't do this sample in a "dead" room. Hang carpet on the walls, use foam etc...
7. Use every mic you've got (unless your drum locker huge) I typically use two mics near, and 2 at some distance from the drum. Borrow a good mic if you don't have one.
8. Take stereo samples...If you want to go mono, sum the two channels or use the best sounding one but having the stereo data can't be a bad thing
9. Try micing the top and bottom of the drum. (Check that you are not out of phase when doing this)
10. Record as hot as possible
11. Turn off heaters and air conditioners and anything that may introduce unwanted noise into your sample
12. Most drums can be tuned. Try a couple different tunings if you can
13. Get a competent drummer to actually hit the dang thing. It really does make a difference.
14. When sampling a drum kit, get the drummer to play some "fills". They add alot to the realism of sampled kits.
15. Build kits that work together.
16. Think "outside the box" - sample anything and everything that makes noise.
17. Make backups

By klixxx Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:44 pm
what type of mics do u use... and second where do u get the drums from lol
do u buy every single drum possible? do u rent em ? or what
and third... i have this friend thats a producer... hes been doin this for awhile and he etlls me to come up with new sounds... ive tried layering the sounds i already got from different drum kits... but is there anythin else i could do ? ppl always talk about takin sounds and compressin them or whatnot
anyways

By fader-pro Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:14 pm
I have a studio that has a sound stage....I record and produce anywhere from 1 to 5 bands per year that have drums....As for the mics, I have a pretty extensive locker. It just depends on the drum

By drumtrack Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:07 pm
haha hilarious fader-pro is sampling bands who pay him money :lol:
good thinking mate
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By Cap_Ill Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:39 pm
man, i suck at playing drums in.

i have decided that i have got to stick to loops/breaks with layered one hits for a while.

it really agitates me sometimes because i just dont' know enough about playing real drums to get them to sound real.

no matter what they sound rigid as hell and if i try to actually play them in with no quantisation they never are fully on beat.

By DJ-Proficient Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:36 pm
Yeah whatever.. you guys are nerds

Get a Mac an have it all on your fingertips, no question's asked.

By fader-pro Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:13 pm
DJ-Proficient wrote:Yeah whatever.. you guys are nerds

Get a Mac an have it all on your fingertips, no question's asked.


Great idea! Then you can have the same samples as everyone else who's not willing to take the time to be original..... :roll:
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By Cazillac Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:31 pm
I sample a lot of my drums from vinyl, its convenient since I have about 2,000 hip hop records from the 80's to present. Of course most of the time I'll filter, timestretch some, compress some, layer, etc to make it just an ounce more unique. I do tend to get some vinyl static and am still looking for the best way to eliminate that. I do some sampling online and CD's. Haven't bought a drumkit yet if I did I would want to hear it first then buy.

By rayhay Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:23 pm
All the kicks, snares and hihats I use I've sampled myself, not because I'm some hardcore cratedigger who thinks that's what's most real, or because I'm so poor I can't afford to buy a couple of good kits. But because I think it's more fun this way, I actually find the process of sampling enjoyable... Yeah, I guess I'm sick...

But it also gives you your own personal and somewhat more unique drumkits, these sounds are really important so...

It's all part of your style, which sounds you chose to use, whether it's a hihat or a stab sound. Now, so much has been sampled and continues to be, so you're probably going to sample kicks and shit other people have sampled before you. But the difference can be in the way you sample it, or the way you tweak it. It's rare I use e.g. a kick I've sampled without doing something to it first. Sometimes I layer several hihats or kicks or snares, to get that exact sound I want. Then do a mixdown to a single file.

I don't think much in terms of right or wrong when it comes to sampling, but I do however have a personal rule, that I never sample Hip Hop for sounds. Sometimes for a line from a rapper or whatever, for an adlib perhaps, or as some sort of credit or whatever, but I don't sample any drums from Hip Hop. Just because producers like myself (well, I'm a hobbyist...) have spent time digging for those sounds, and chosen those exact sounds because THEY really liked them, perhaps they've even done a lot of tweaking to them. If other people sample Hip Hop, I'm not one to judge though, so don't think I'm doing that.

Perhaps I'm just a hypocrit, since I sample everything else, but Hip Hop... Hehe. I just don't want to steal some other Hip Hop producers work, I know I'm stealing when I sample from other genres as well, but at least I do a lot of shit to what I sample. I don't just take a 2 or 4 bar loop or even almost a whole song and just use that (Kanye West). I do a lot of modifications to it and make something new out of something old.
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By naugie Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:43 pm
when it comes to sampling u can take a fart and resample it to make a kick. sampling ownz

By gmixstudios Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:27 pm
Cazillac wrote:I sample a lot of my drums from vinyl, its convenient since I have about 2,000 hip hop records from the 80's to present. Of course most of the time I'll filter, timestretch some, compress some, layer, etc to make it just an ounce more unique. I do tend to get some vinyl static and am still looking for the best way to eliminate that. I do some sampling online and CD's. Haven't bought a drumkit yet if I did I would want to hear it first then buy.

with regards to static, I have a piece of software called clean it by steinberg, you can set up or use pre sets, I just click a button and its done, I never use it that much as I tend to eq and filter out the noise but a few times it has come in handy.

By djmrmystic Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:15 am
yeah....all of the above.lol