Diggin a waste of cash

word i appreciate the music and respect the dope artists of old and learn from them but not enuff to spend my cash onit i been thru that for 4-5 years, now id rather use the money for other things but yeah if ur getting paid to do beats fine.

i defo feel its a good idea to get the feel of the digging process, over 5 years i had alot of good shit and alot of bad shit and i got to the point where my taste was so specialised that i did not wanna cop the kinds of records i was comming accross when out diggin. (but defo worth paying dues on them basic records 1st)

id flip anything but after time i just wanted doper source material so using that 5 years of graft and what i learned about lables and artist applying that on-line i find some dope shit that i was not seeing out diggin.

so now i got the best of both worlds a small stash of records that i enjoy and that i can go back to and re-use and on-line, utube and blogs and whole albums i just got endless supplies of high quality samples plus access to them exclusive 100 quid and up records that id never be able to afford if i found the record out diggin

bedouin wrote:The whole art of digging is finding things no one else has before, so using stuff someone has already red flagged as good material on a blog isn't very true to the spirit.

I just can't see someone who has only amassed 100 or 300 records feeling that they understand 'digging' to such an extent that they damn it. If you're expecting to find tight drum breaks on every record you buy, on more than one track -- then you've missed the point. Still, there's nothing I buy that A) doesn't have something I can use on it, and B) That I enjoy listening to as a whole.

thats the digging-realness-manifesto, word up..

I don't like to call what i do "crate digging" now. I see myself as a music lover who looks for more music and also takes samples from a select few records.

I've dug, bought crap, wasted money on crap, walked past something that might be good, but i'm glad all of those happened in a way because it helped me learn. F8cking up is the best way of learning ever.

This sh8t to me is my own journey driving at my own pace listening and learning about the artists behind the dope sh8t i hear. I've learned such a lot from when i first started. My love of hip-hop has seen me seek out music i wouldn't have even thought of buying say 3 years ago.

I couldn't care less about all this competitive nonsence anymore. Sometimes i can't help but ask if some people do this because it makes them feel better than other people (the "i'm more hip-hop than you" guys) or because they love music.

most of the stuff i sample is tv, youtube, blogs and stuff i downloaded." = DEFINITION OF WACKNESS

There is no wrong way or wack way of making music. Everyone does their own thing. If everyone took the path of digging for records sh8t would be boring. We ain't in 92 anymore. If someone wants to sample from youtube and blogs then they should try it. It isn't like they breaking the 10 commandments or anything. It has it's advantages and disadvatages just like digging for records. I mean MF Doom sampled heavily from TV, DVDs, etc. You just sound like an angry old man who doesn't understand the advantages of using new technology.







oh yeah...Digging can be a waste of cash if you:
- got seeds to provide for and you ain't providing
-You in shitloads of debt
-you living in a cardboard box

People need to stop referencing MF Doom so much it makes y'all look like some groupie fan club nerds. MF Doom should not be a reference for good production. Creative? Yes. I can understand sampling vocals from a movie and don't condone that. What is lame is sampling music from TV. That's just on a whole other level of uncomprehensability.

^ dawg why you worried about what the next man do??? i mean i dont sample from tv or dvd or utube but why you hatin on the next man?/ do what you do and let them do what they do!

eastcoast121 wrote:^ dawg why you worried about what the next man do??? i mean i dont sample from tv or dvd or utube but why you hatin on the next man?/ do what you do and let them do what they do!

Agreed, let's just worry about people who don't sample at all.

By the way, what do you do when you want something but don't have it on vinyl and it's not in any dollar/five dollar bins? If you can afford it, cool - If someone else can't, cool - but to a music fan it will get acquired. It's better that a digital copy get "stolen" than someone actually steals it on vinyl from a record store owned and operated by a vinyl head.

We're living in the year 2008. 200 and frikkin 8. Why are people so scared of new technology?

Yeah I sample from records, but if you think that it's the only option open then you lot are cavemen.

I reckon people are hating because it's new, easier and means old and rare music is easily accessible to other types of people (mostly younger people), which is a problem because diggers are Secret Squirrels who like to keep things like a members only club where no-one likes to share knowledge.

I mean i can imagine they'll be a day where vinyl will be harder to obtain than it is already. Loads of stores are still closing in cities and towns around here and with a recession coming it's getting worse, so it's always good to share your knowledge of record spots so these dudes can stay open. Round here in South Yorkshire all of our record stores in Sheffield have closed and now theres the only option of travelling something like 30 - 60 miles or buy from e-bay, GEMM, etc.


You're pretty sad if you always worry about what other people are doing. People should be able to do things how they want. Your view is just your ideal. My view of sampling is either everything is acceptable or nothing is.

peeps dont like the idea that u dont have to spend big money and loads of hours to find rare samples end of the day its down to how u flip whateva samples u find.

its not about limiting urself cos the whole essense of hip hop is using the limited tools to make something dope in 08 we have tools they never had in 88 so we gotta take advantage of that.

i see this as the same type ressistance that peeps had to 9th success using fruity loops they want u to go thru the same hard graft of saving up to buy equipment but end of the day dudes heart is in the right place and he is able to express himself thru the beats so let it be.

jpeg wrote:peeps dont like the idea that u dont have to spend big money and loads of hours to find rare samples end of the day its down to how u flip whateva samples u find.

yeah i feel this way sometimes, i think its an ego/insecurity thing, cos it kinda undermines wat we do...if we use vinyl its kinda more exclusive/difficult and separates us, if u can download off youtube it makes it like kinda wak cos anyone can do that lol...maybe thats just me. eg- my little cousin could sample some shit off youtube chop it up in a oftware put a wak ass drum pattern down and make a beat.

i personally have made a couple dope ass beats using mp3 samples of songs i heard off the net.

Alot of you new generation cats get it twisted and alot of old schoolers arent against using the new technology or doing things new ways , it's just that you cats got all this new , elaborate technology and dont know what to do with it . I could really understand if you had a LARGE collection and you were talking about putting it on mp3 to sample from, but it's like youre trying to skip a crucial part of hip hop beatmaking. The whole point of being the new generation is to do better than those who came before you . Do better , get slicker , go harder but dont go backwards with it, but alot of people have that microwave mentality today. There's nothing wrong with e-digging in my eyes cause at the end of the day , youre using vinyl and sampling , plus ebay has fed my kids when times got ruff. I got love for 9th wonder , cause he's a dude thats from my generation , he DIGS , uses fruity loops and he makes bangers but it's obvious for every 9th Wonder , there's like 20 other microwavers who use fruty loops , sorta sample and have that microwave sound . We love digging and the SOUND of VINYL for what it is . Mp3's and CD's are cool for what they are too . I dont care if it's the year 2099 , people will still play the blues with real guitars, and you still will have to have lived the blues to play it .

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ive been thru the stage of learning artis and records and been out digging to far places carrying reacords now im at the stage where my time is more effectively used on-line.

jpeg wrote:i appreciate the music and respect the dope artists of old and learn from them but not enuff to spend my cash onit

To me that sounds like a bit of a contradiction. You appreciate the music and respect the artists but aren't willing to buy the music?

Mannas wrote:

jpeg wrote:i appreciate the music and respect the dope artists of old and learn from them but not enuff to spend my cash onit

To me that sounds like a bit of a contradiction. You appreciate the music and respect the artists but aren't willing to buy the music?

I wasn't aware that when I buy a used record the artist gets a cut. The thrift store sends a royalty check to Bob James' house, right?

i'm balling on a budget so i don't usually buy a record if it's over 4 bucks. dollar records are clutch. and, not that i'm proud of it, but if i really want a fly record and its like 9 bucks, i'll throw it in a dollar record sleeve.

ssnedden wrote:

Mannas wrote:

jpeg wrote:i appreciate the music and respect the dope artists of old and learn from them but not enuff to spend my cash onit

To me that sounds like a bit of a contradiction. You appreciate the music and respect the artists but aren't willing to buy the music?

I wasn't aware that when I buy a used record the artist gets a cut. The thrift store sends a royalty check to Bob James' house, right?

that's beside the point. you're a p%ssy.