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By dmarz45 Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:16 am
I have a couple of 45s and they all seem to have alot of surface noise compared to regular lps. I mean sometimes this isnt a bad thing at all but some of them just are way too harsh to even listen to.

Are all 45s like this? Can anybody shed some light?
By bedouin Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:16 am
A lot of it has to do with how 45s were stored. Most people (like my mother) never kept them in their sleeves. They were treated with less care usually.

Second issue, many 45s aren't actually made of vinyl -- but a kind of plastic that wears out easily.

Third, since 45s are 7" -- if your cartridge isn't aligned properly you can experience inner groove distortion virtually from start to end.

Fourth, if you want more than 3 minutes on a 45 you have to make the grooves very close together; this kills sound quality and is part of the reason the 12" was introduced.

Fifth, many 45s were played over and over with cheap styli. This made them sound crappy, especially considering most cartridge are misaligned and were damaging the grooves each time it was played.

Sixth, 45s were the medium of choice in jukeboxes -- and as you might imagine, a 45 of a popular song, say -- "Billie Jean" would have been played 1000s of times potentially. 45s from radio stations would have similar abuse.

Nevertheless, I love digging for 45s. They're compact and cheap. And most of your weird rarities will be on 45 since they were inexpensive to release.
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By dj e.d.e Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:20 pm
bedouin wrote:A lot of it has to do with how 45s were stored. Most people (like my mother) never kept them in their sleeves. They were treated with less care usually.

Second issue, many 45s aren't actually made of vinyl -- but a kind of plastic that wears out easily.

Third, since 45s are 7" -- if your cartridge isn't aligned properly you can experience inner groove distortion virtually from start to end.

Fourth, if you want more than 3 minutes on a 45 you have to make the grooves very close together; this kills sound quality and is part of the reason the 12" was introduced.

Fifth, many 45s were played over and over with cheap styli. This made them sound crappy, especially considering most cartridge are misaligned and were damaging the grooves each time it was played.

Sixth, 45s were the medium of choice in jukeboxes -- and as you might imagine, a 45 of a popular song, say -- "Billie Jean" would have been played 1000s of times potentially. 45s from radio stations would have similar abuse.

Nevertheless, I love digging for 45s. They're compact and cheap. And most of your weird rarities will be on 45 since they were inexpensive to release.
word!!

most of the time you find 45's out of the sleeve,there all trashed,those are the ones you stay away from inless it's something that you know you cant find or is hard to find.
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By jaem Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:39 pm
its more to do with the condition of the record than the technology

off of pure tech they actually sound better...faster rotation=more resolution

kinda like a higher sample rate, unfortunately most ppl treated them like $hit so u got a bunch in terrible condition
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By KkonEl Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:33 pm
also the grooves in a 45 are wider than a LP
that's why they are usually a little louder than a LP
which is why producers like to get breaks off of 45s
along with the exclusivity of a song only being on a 45