D.I.T.C. Forever?

ayo i was thinking about the millions of records that have been mined over the years and how most beatmakers and even producers have been steady sampling the same breaks over and over. i don't know if that is one of the reasons the game has gotten flowers up but i'm sure alot of us can agree that it's flowers up

peep

this isn't a "keep it real" arguement or saying bring back the old school vibe convo - it's just have y'all ever thought about when all the old records in the world have been sampled let's just say 50 years from now, and all our kids will have to sample is what's on the radio now?

for the execption of what true d.i.t.c. heads put out but even that will be sample-based itself, hence the same sounds, no matter how altered or filtered, or re-used yet again.

and imagine the records our kids will be sampling CORNY SH!T: norah jones, usher, j. lo, madonna, dixie chicks etc. i don't really know what's played on th radio and i don't mean to insult the mentioned artists but we can agree that the sound that hip-hop is based on will not be supported by such singers as the one's that we have today.

the point is it appears the music industry has almost succeeded in killing of good music no matter where it's from as long as money is the bottom line rather than quality (qualitty talent, quality of recording, authentic artists rather than industry insiders/ass-kissers/fake media creations aka corporate gangstas and other pop creations).

a lot of pop music today is recorded from two tracks with a lyric recorded on top, could have been done at home with a cheap mic, or gutta bassment studio with grimey equipment (which is dope for hip-hop but i'm talking about the recording of the music we sample in the future).
(this two track b.s. is an issue for us tho cause especially in rap alot of cats have gotten accustomed to doing this 2 track bullsh!t- seperate matter). it's all good for mixtapes but for the love of God.

breakin it down, basically:

corny broads are singing hella hooks
singers get by on nothing but looks (or how many diccs get sucked)/connects family ties like daddy's litter girl is the daughter of a MBG exec

sampling laws aim at killing a sampling artform

music is more compressed and digitized than ever, synthesized not done in studios with proper acoustics or even equipment

the industry fazed out political and social content from pop music[/b] (a la Bob Dylan, What's Going On, All Along the Watchtower, I'm Black and I'm Proud, **** the Police, **** a War, I got a letter from the government, the other day, I opened and read it, it said they was SUCKAS

4 companies own 99% of the music in the world, and they are still merging

this equals hell for the seeds in the future when they try to get they groove on, and yet we continue to sample the same tired joints and degrade our own artform by engaging in such practices and allowing the government to shut us down.

is it any secret that there's been no Hip-Hop on major labels and what was has been mutilated into something altogether different?

so the question is, diggin in the crates forever, until we run out of records? why don't we become adept at playing instruments and laying foundations for the future?

the vibes of james brown, bobby byrd, fred wesley, george clinton, bootsty collins, stevie wonder, manu dibango, isaac hayes, donny hathaway, marvin gaye, aretha franklin, billie holiday, roger troutman, dennis coffy, rick james b!tch, how we ever gonna recapture it if only 10% of us still play instruments, we operate under an industry that would rather cut costs and hire one dude to play a synthesizer rather than a complete band, horn players can't find work, we already hold rap music to such a low value to where we allow cats to record on two tracks, and an entire album can be made my emailing tracks to one another without stepping in the studio together!

that's flowers garbage man get that sh!t outta here! so few producers even go in the studio with their artists anymore, motherfuccers used to sleep in the lab for 5 days. bands used load up a studio with gear and instruments, like the insence, light the spliff and VIBE for hours on end in the studio (back when a studio was more than a computer with protools and mic booth).

you think anyone still gets down like jimi hendrix in the lab, flowers nah! we'd rather bang out 10 tracks a day than work with an artists to develop a:

vibe
riff
sound
concept

we are so instant meal with our sh!t, there's no heart anymore. i'm not sayin "you" as in you reading this forum, but the industry at large is so not concerned about music. period. that sh!t is trife, so im sayin what we gonna sample in 2056?

only a few in the biz still hold that integrity: indie cats and some execs i won't name but in hip-hop, he's who still has his balls: dj premier, dr. dre, dj quik, large professor, jaz-o, saigon, nas, jay-z, immortal technique, necro, dan the automator, scarface, 9th wonder, d-block, self scientific, dj khalil, tru life, ghostface, rza, gza, dj muggz, too $hort, e-40, rick rock, rockwilder, pete rock, jay dilla, ice cube cause at least he own his own production company and many others but the majority will do anything massa wants them to do, and that keeps not just the artform down but it sells a mans nuts to the highest bidder.

do you know what it's like to session with Premier at Headquarterz? The man still has respect for Hip-Hop, there's no bullsh!t about him. Every article I've read about artists experiences with him, M.O.P., Freddie Foxx, Big Sug, Jeru, Nas, they all express the gratitude for the way he get down.

But most cats is industry 101, real fake and the fake sh!t is killing music/culture, not just in hip-hop but in all arts and culture, it's just at its ugliest in hip-hop cause they on a public relations mission to destroy it and make into a machine to get these teens to buy ipods, drink pepsi, buy mpcs, buy sean john roc-a-wear, philly blunts, liquor, and now even LOUIS VITTON GUCCI DIAMONDS FROM SIERRA LEONE CRISTAL CORVASEUR

and the albums have become nothing more than hour long commmercials to buy these products

you even got a muthafucca making a career out of bringing crack back from vintage black-killer to fashion trend of 2005 and another ni gga got instructions to how to cook it on his album sleeve

meanwhile blacks is still second class citizens everywhere on earth, people is starving in africa, innocent citizens had their country invaded over in Iraq over some bullsh!t people dying there that shouldn't be dying on both sides, bush is spying on you muthafucca, we losing our freedoms, most of us behind bars on racism sentences, our school suck, in my city kids is getting murked almost 3 times a week on average and what's the best we can say "Stop Snitchin"? Check out my snowman t-shirt? Vote or Die? GIVE ME A flowers BREAK we actin kind of silly

that's return of a ****** mindstate to me and imma start pulling ni ggas cards in 06, and gamin on the corporate enemy (more importantly)

some of the best voices in this game said they didn't like what people was doing, so they went out and did it themselves. that's what's up cause the sh!t is flowers brain drain when i turn on the radio Clear Channel owns all that sh!t fellas, its white ownership of Hip-Hop is the reality in '06 and i don't think i caught any of y'all sleepin ( and if so wake the fuc up) but it needs to be addressed in our music (words) and power moves (actions).


XANDRE

Damn dude, Thats alot of reading. I'll have to get back with you about this after work.

This is the kinda shit I think about a lot!

Hiphop has evolved!
It started with a DJ and a breakbeat. MCs would rhyme over the breakbeats. However, hiphop started changing when the sampler was introduced in the late 80's. New technology lead to a new sound where anything goes. Today, any possible method will be used to make music.

People are selfcentered!
People have been using other people to get what they want since the beginning of time. Europeans started keeping slaves in the 1700's and ever since the world economy and the world situation has been f'ed up!

We ought to spread out all the wealth in the world evenly... We'd all be living in trailer homes, but at least the kids in Africa wouldn't starv!

Who's with me?!

C.R.E.A.M

like it or not....it is what it is

people need to let go, plain and simple.

indeed, the same records are sampled over and over again, but that in itself, if used correctly, is a method of playin the sound as an instrument.
i saw someone on here sayin they paid $100 for a skull snaps 45. thats cool and all to add to the collection, but c'mon...probably cost $0.50 when it came out, and the break has been sampled to death.

as corny as i think the roots have gotten, they addressed this sht 2-3 albums ago (i lost track): "people treat the hip hop record as disposable" and they've been playin with live instrumentation from jump off.

in 2056, if hiphop sounds anything remotely similar to what we have nowadays, then we're doin something wrong, period. the sound has to change, but i think for that to happen, both artists and listeners need to reinvent the way music is perceived as an art...not a method of making income, a name, etc.

the industry is partly to blame, but our mindset as consumers is probably the main problem here. like it, or not, sampling is like collage art. its not, IMO, an original art form on its own. its like mixed media, or photography, in the fact that its taking from something thats already there. the craft is inherently bound to recycle and reuse that same old thing, and the following generations and gonna use the same old sht...but you can look at it like jazz musicians playin the same old standards over and over. you just gotta freak it in a different way.

i felt this way back in 95 when i was deep in the jungle scene and the sound started becomin DnB. i was upset that the familiarity (and flow) of the sampled breaks were giving way to the clunky stepping drums that the producers were coming up with on their own...but it had to happen, the sound has to evolve. and as a fan, i had to learn to let go. we, as listeners, want the artists to continue releasing music similar (somewhat, at least) to what we fell in love with, but the artists have to keep pushin forward. sometimes it works, sometimes it don't, but it is necessary.

anyways, i didnt read your whole post, yet, but i felt like adding some thoughts cause i'm feelin what i did read from your post.


peace.dope.


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more thoughts as i read through your post:
no one listens to the radio expecting to hear something original or addressing anything of social/cultural importance...which is sad, but true.
everynow and again you might hear something nice, but then again you hear someone looping the NFL monday night football theme, or laffy taffy, which sets the whole game back another decade.

alot of producers are using more live instrumentation in their tracks, but often they still play to the same formulas.

i think DITC can live on forever, and we can still hear original samples. i for one like the idea of sampling from the media, and flippin that sht...like future sound of london did with ISDN.

anyways, i hope in the future kids do sample some corny @ss sht and make it fresh. alot of things that are gettin sampled now are pretty corny and probably were seen in that light back in the pioneer days.
maybe one day some kid will come up on BEP's lady lumps and rip it up with fergies cornflake, peein on herself, punk@ss.

anders i feel you but your taking it kinda to the macro extreme. let me say first that yeah, with the sampler in the equation any sound goes, but that's just it because the quality of american music has been in decline since the mid-seventies. so pretty soon any sound that goes is gonna succ ass, unless you keep recycling the funk but that's repetative too. maybe a period in modern history has ended and records will never sound like that again. but then what is the future for HipHop? big up to denmark btw

now let me ground it more to like, the basic question which is two-fold:

1) what can we do to preserve respect for the practice and recording of Hip-Hop?

2) how do we reclaim its control from corporate media to maintain this integrity?



btw the root of inequality on planet Earth is said to be traced to when hunter gatherers began planting wheat and barley in the ancient Middle East and became the planet's first farmers, about 24,000 years ago. because from agriculture and the storing of grain would come the basic social structure that would later comprise Egypt and the Maya civilization and allow one group of people to excersize unequal class dominance over another. by the time of mid-Atlantic slave trading the notion that lighter skin was genetically superior to darker skin had already been propagated for several centuries because of this. but it's pretty amazing that inequality, caste systems/class systems, and resulting racism and classim all came from our deviation from the natural order of Earth by altering plant seed cycles. basically racism, a behavior inhumane in character, has its root cause coming from our tampering with nature, which in a way was our earlist rejection of our own humanity.

things got real flowers up when capital gained prominence over human life, also known as capitalism. we have our great nation to thank in part for this latest betrayl.

as far as wealth spread out evenly, even in the condition it is currently in, the planet Earth still has more than enough to provide for every man, woman and child, its just the 1% who control most of the world's wealth now might have to live in something close to a trailer home if it were spread evenly and they are determined to never let that happen. it all goes back to us not wanting to be human so we let things like greed control us. for examp why do we have to go to space when we know we don't belong there? when Earth runs out of resources why will only the wealthy be able to colonize mars while the poor are left to die on Earth?

be careful with who you support for that leveling out sh!t because the main priority of new world order actually is to equalize the living standard of more or less everyone on Earth so that a one world government can be put in place. that's why you see corporations merging and a robust information technology field that is compiling all our personal data into one data bank, as well as poverty-eradication and AIDS (made up disease which doesn't exist) programs throughout the "third world." our tax money and the illegal drug industry among other things are helping to finance all this, in fact anything that is "illegal" is only deemed that so the government can have exclusive access to profits from it.

so equality is not the same as "all nations being the same" it's having one's human rights (food, water, clothing, shelter, health access, legal representation, adequate schools/access to knowledge, spiritual/religious freedom, freedom of speech and thought, to grow crops, etc.) intact while pursuing whatever it is you wish to pursue. most people don't have enough food or any health care and all over the world people are forced to live in hell, which is a condition on Earth. heaven on Earth is only enjoyed by a small chosen few, because the devil is the one who chose them. those of us with nothing who continue to live righteous are chosen by God to try and change conditions on Earth to heaven while we are alive, not wait to die to go to heaven. but to attain heaven one has to go thru hell so that's what life is all about and if you believe in something enough you get killed for it but that's just God rescuing you from hell cause you passed the test. notice how only the good die young? everyone who really deserves to die is still alive until we prove that we don't, then we die anyway.

im sayin what was it about 1972, about that era, the records sound so warm, the musicianship is top-notch. back then their were record labels too, alot less of them, but the same business-minded desicions were being made then and yet the art was not comprimised, at least not to the level that we are seeing

today, i buy like 3 albums a year. that's the amount i actully feel like buying of new material these days. but when i walk in the flea market or vinyl spot, within 10 minutes i see like 25 records i'd wanna cop. on the new releases rack i hardly ever see 1 i wanna cop.

most popular music today sounds so cheap. i'm not talkin about electronic like dNb, trip-hop, or any new yo-yo ma classical that's coming out, or most jazz releases that come out, but most pop music a la 2006 is garbage IMO, a lot of rap sh!t too...

is it unrealistic to aim for vintage production styles, using an analog mixing board, hiring musicians, booking an acoustically adept space, learning funk riffs and breakbeats, all in trying to recapture that sound loved by so many? or will today's music audience not even care anyway?


XANDRE

Xandre wrote:im sayin what was it about 1972, about that era, the records sound so warm, the musicianship is top-notch.

drugs and chicks with pit hair.


.dope.

Like Benzino said ( and he aint the sharpest knive in the droor), in order to get hiphop back to how good it was it has to be torn down and rebuilt back up from the ground, how that can get done, I dont know.
Also its real simple, look at whos buying and supports the material, mostly young people with the iq of a peanut. Those making $$$ LOVE IT
its just so sad

theres still hope mang..
in terms of sound I know PUTS is recording their latest album on two inch tape...which is crazy cause they are totally indy and that costs mad $$. Top 40 Hiphop is gonna fall soon and the jokers are gonna go home. Then we can rise from the ashes like da phoenix and take over..

destroy and rebuild theory

yeah i can see that being true in practice because of the way Hip-Hop is being marketed now, it's being destroyed

but there comes a point of no return when people can take no more and historically that's when innovative arts movements begin. in our case it would be a new resistance and possible golden age for Hip-Hop. so yeah i'm optimistic in that light that we might have another one coming and i'll be a part of it. that's the rebuilding right there.

Top 40 Hiphop is gonna fall

this could be true because look at the way the music industry is dying right now so they gonna have to come up w/ something and hopefully it'll entail less gimmicks although you know there's is a conspiacy against Hip-Hop rapcointelpro that is connected with the old counter intelligence program against pro-black leaders/organizations, now it is geared at crumbling black owned businesses like death row, murder inc., etc. this country is wrapped up in foreign affairs but national security is still a #1 priority and all minorities is public enemy #1 look at the prison system, schools which are run by that same system, health care inequalities and access to healthy foods and clean air. i believe this is intimatley tied into the music industry just like all major u.s. industries just look at lyrical content and the type of consumerism that is emphasized in rap instead of providing a balance, or clear picture of what Hip-Hop has to offer. we just need to drill it in people's heads that it's really that real and when you step up to a mic you are a representative telling your people how to behave. instead rappers have become a mouthpiece for white power. that's what i mean when i say Hip-Hop needs it's nuts back and it's so rare that you hear a voice with nuts lead the people. that's why i'm excited about artists like saigon and immortal technique, actions of david banner and then on the flip artist like Count Bass D who maintain love for the artform on a creative tip. and also people like d-block too because they are not fake, they a street cats and they will not change to become corporate. see how they got their publishing from puff they approached him like men rather than corporate clowns and they got back what was stolen from them. if they had been fake puff would have steam rolled them like he does to everyone else even tho he is fake themself, that's the way it is there are no ethics in capitalism he would have called it business as usual.

PUTS is so dope


XANDRE

Shit will change, i agree - it has to.

But answer me this - do you sample stuff that was on the radio in the 60s 70s etc? The majority of the shit we sample is from a non mainstream soucre.

The majority of the next cats will do the same. BUT they have an added bonus. There will be far more music about in the future, thanks to digital age. Even now i've sampled a few local bands (intrument based) that have recorded there own stuff or used a freinds kit etc. There will be countless bands in your area making funky music - and even more in years to come.

The down side is... it probably won't be pressed to vinyl!!! So we may lose that crackle.

I've read that an important chemical used in the making of records is running out. Around 20 years left. With vinyl sales always on the decrease, will anybody develope a new way of making records???

Thats the scary thing for me in the future!!

KEEP VINYL ALIVE - even if sample based, when you get to the stage of releasing your ish - press and move records!! Keep it an interesting media.

Plus.. Buy new release records - ten years down the line you'll think that ish ive got on mp3 is dope, i wish a had it on wax - then you'll be digging hard to find it - OR EVEN WORSE - suckered into buying it on ebay for over the odds

KEEP VINYL ALIVE!! KEEP VINYL ALIVE!!

Sing it with me kids.

tusk wrote:I've read that an important chemical used in the making of records is running out. Around 20 years left. With vinyl sales always on the decrease, will anybody develope a new way of making records???

where did you read this?
if anything this "chemical" is probably not running out, it's probably just not economically feasible to continue the process.


.dope.

you can press to many mediums. a lot of plants are having trouble staying afloat, hopefully someone will make a good low maintenence press for smaller numbers, like 500-1000 at a time, most presses that operate are still built for bulk IIRC.

well they had to stop making sp-1200s because we literally ran out of the silicon needed to make the chips for it... could also be the case for other chemicals and minerals i don't know jus a thought


XANDRE